Severian / Christ / Logos / Apocatastasis

Son of Witz · 26 Nov 2008, 07:13 · from 2008-November.txt.gz

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From: sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org (Son of Witz)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 23:13:28 -0800
Subject: (urth) Severian / Christ / Logos / Apocatastasis
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Thats the feeling I got from the bit I read.
my guess is that a devout Catholic wouldn't spend his life stacking up  
Christian symbol dominoes just to knock em all down.
except of course if he intended to leave that huge doubt, which I  
suppose is what he might be up to.
though if it's merely that there is no God and it's all just a  
perverse chess game, I'd really need some strong text examples to  
accept that.




On Nov 25, 2008, at 5:08 PM, Chris wrote:

> I've read it. There was definitely some good stuff in it, although I  
> strongly disagree with Wright's overall interpretation of the work  
> (and the way he argues for that interpretation). I also feel that it  
> tends to "flatten out" a lot of dimensions of meaning in the text,  
> although that doesn't necessarily speak against it - the text may  
> simply *be* flatter than I perceive it to be, I suppose. But in any  
> event the case he makes is weaker than it should be, and indulges in  
> a bit of cherry-picking insofar as the portions of text he chooses  
> to "attend" to and which he ignores.
>
> Nonetheless that said Wright is pretty sharp and I am glad to have  
> read his work.
>
> -- "When small men begin to cast big shadows, it means that the sun  
> is about to set." -- Lin Yutang
>
>
>
> > From: sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org
> > To: urth at lists.urth.net
> > Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 00:49:20 +0000
> > Subject: Re: (urth) Severian / Christ / Logos / Apocatastasis
> >
> >
> >
> > perhaps someone should pointed me to Attending Daedalus by Peter  
> Wright.
> > I just skimmed a bit of it on Google Books, and he's making a  
> thorough dismissal of the type of reading I'm suggesting here.
> > I'll have to read this book.
> >
> > I'm guessing you've read it Craig? the argument seems to be along  
> the lines of your collapsing of priorities.
> >
> > While I haven't grokked his argument, having only skimmed it, it  
> would seem he's perhaps suggesting all of the mythic elements are  
> just machination of the Heirogrammites, and are not divine in any  
> sense.
> >
> > again, I'm not sure of his argument, but if it boils down to that,  
> I'd ask what do the Heirgrogrammites Heirodules symbolize if not  
> Angels and Archangels or Djinn? Are we to strip away the monomyth  
> because the plot confines it to these sons of mankind engineering  
> their own survival?
> >
> > ~witz
> >
> >
> >
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