fully divine and fully human

Jordon Flato · 26 Nov 2008, 17:12 · from 2008-November.txt.gz

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From: jordonflato at gmail.com (Jordon Flato)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 09:12:56 -0800
Subject: (urth) fully divine and fully human
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I think a clue here is in the Cock and the Angel story.  That has always
seemed a blatant metaphor for the Hierogrammates (angel), Hierodules (eagle)
and the Cock (Humanity).

"The eagle looked at the angel when her heard what the cock said, and the
angel looked at the eagle.  'The Pancreator is infinitely far from us,' the
angel said.  'And thus infinitely far from me, though I fly so much higher
than you.  I guess at his desires-no one can do otherwise."

On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Son of Witz <sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org>wrote:

> so do any of you actually read this as Severian being merely a dupe and
> that none of the transcendental themes have their source or resolution in
> God?
> and if so, why? Is it that the manipulations of the post-humans cannot some
> how have a higher mandate beyond them?
>
> Of course it's interesting to speculate on all sorts of subtexts here, I'm
> just wondering if any of you have settled on this sort of interpretation.
>
> ~witz
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Jeff Wilson [mailto:jwilson at io.com]
> >Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 08:20 AM
> >To: 'The Urth Mailing List'
> >Subject: Re: (urth) fully divine and fully human
> >
> >brunians at brunians.org wrote:
> >>>                                                               Severian
> is
> >>> both a fraud and a conciliator, and this is something that I can find
> only
> >>> in Wolfe. A false Christ can still get the job done by pretending to be
> >>> what he wants the people to believe he is.
> >>
> >> Roger Zelazny did a similar thing, most excellently, with The Buddha in
> >> "Lord Of Light".
> >
> >There's also a 1992 Steve Martin movie _Leap of Faith_ where a fake
> >faith healer conman becomes so persuasive that when he leads the marks
> >in prayer, unplanned non-fake miracles begin to occur.
> >
> >--
> >Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com
> >< http://www.io.com/~jwilson <http://www.io.com/%7Ejwilson> >
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