A new mystery ...

Jordon Flato · 02 Dec 2008, 23:46 · from 2008-December.txt.gz

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From: jordonflato at gmail.com (Jordon Flato)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:46:27 -0800
Subject: (urth) A new mystery ...
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Well, one of the reasons I like the Eidolon theory (being the below
mentioned 'friend') is how it resonates thematically.  This would make
Severian not bodily resurrected (which he may or may not have been before,
with my vote for was), but resurrected in a 'subtle body', held together by
the 'mind of god'.  Things in quotes are meant to reflect my metaphoric
reading.  Sort of like Christ after the crucifiction.  So, as the New Sun,
he is really a 'new Severian', which is the Severian who becomes the
Concilitor.

So, the first incarnation of the Conciliator, the figure who has a huge
impact on Severian and Urth in BotNS, is in fact an Edilon Severian
resurrected, who comes back to Urth as the New Sun, who will subsequently
influence Severian in BotNS, who will go on to become Eidolon Severian etc
etc.  This time loop aspect is so damned attractive to me, and so brilliant
in so many ways.

On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Son of Witz <sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org>wrote:

> >Does anyone know whose body Severian took over after he fell from a
> >great height inside the sailship?
> >
> >And is it this body which writes the first three books? I would assume
> >this must be.
> >
> >And did the first Severian also take over this body?
> >
> >Dave
> >
> >
> >---
>
> This is something that confuses me. having just read that part.
> My friend suggests he's an Eidolon at this point.
> But I think he may have died and been resurrected in the very first part of
> Shadow, swimming in Gyoll, leaving behind the skull that he finds later?
> He's also resurrected in the Avern Duel, but there is no additional body.
> Perhaps he just came close to death.  I think that's where the eidolon
> reading comes in, because that's the only body left behind, unless the skull
> in Gyoll is that.
>
> Although,it's plausible he could have been having an Out of Body Experience
> when he closed the dead Severian's eyes after that fall. There are other
> instances where Sev has a sort of astral projection that he views himself
> from without himself.  I'm gonna reread it with that in mind, because that
> could probably account for all of them. No?
>
> ~witz
>
>
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