The Will Of God

John Watkins · 07 Dec 2008, 20:02 · from 2008-December.txt.gz

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From: john.watkins04 at gmail.com (John Watkins)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:02:09 -0500
Subject: (urth) The Will Of God
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I think it is clear that the Hierogrammates do not know the will of
God.  What is less clear to me is:

1) Are the pieties of the Hierodules, Hierarchs, and Hierogrammates
sincere?  I take is that there is truth mixed with falsehood, but I
can't tell where one ends and the other begins.

2) Do the Hierogrammates ultimately bring about the will of God?  I
want to say that they do. I do not know how, in the text, this occurs,
unless it really is through time-travelling protagonists from later
series.


On 12/7/08, David Stockhoff <dstockhoff at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> Sure, but so what? How does that help explain anything in TBotNS? No one has
> questioned that there is evil---I have said that Wolfe clearly believes it
> is real. The question is to what extent "actors" think they are doing evil
> and doing good vs to what extent they are actually doing either, and how
> that fits into this will of God---which, by the way, is inaccessible to us.
>
> If it were accessible, it would be known. If it were known, it would be both
> acted upon and resisted. Do the Hierogrammates know the will of God?
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> On Dec 5, 2008, at 6:45 PM, brunians at brunians.org wrote:
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>> > God is omniscient and omnipotent.
>> >
>> > What occurs is the will of God.
>> >
>> > What is not the will of God does not occur.
>> >
>> > That's it.
>> >
>> > It's truly amazing to me how people complicate this.
>>
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>
> i don't relate to the standard question, "why does God allow evil?"
> either.
>
> it just HAS to BE.
>
> look at the yin yang symbol as another basic, perfect symbol of it.
>
> it's NOT the duality of it.
> it's the dance.
>
> sounds trite, but it's true.
>
> and WHO are WE to judge?
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