Urth Digest, Vol 53, Issue 7

Lane Haygood · 07 Jan 2009, 18:18 · from 2009-January.txt.gz

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From: lhaygood at gmail.com (Lane Haygood)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 12:18:49 -0600
Subject: (urth) Urth Digest, Vol 53, Issue 7
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In my native Texan drawl, I say them "MAY-terr-uh" and "PAH-terr-uh," as in
"matron" and "pantera," respectively. I suppose saying it "PAY" like in the
proper pronunciation of "patron" would be correct, but unless I'm thinking
about it, I'd probably pronounce patron as "PAH-trun."

Who's the PAH-trun saint of degenerate dialects?

Lane

On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 12:10 PM, David Stockhoff <dstockhoff at verizon.net>wrote:

> Notes & comments ...
>
> ---I'd pronounce them MAY-turrah and PAY-turrah, from the British MAY-ter
> and PAY-ter. The British pronounce Latin differently from Americans, so
> there is no right or wrong. But we don't use those words---they do or did,
> in public school at least. So I'd follow them.
>
> ---It's not a typo, but "Chrasmatists," meaning those people who
> assembled/wrote the Chrasmologic Writings (p48, NtLS).
> I can't find a source for "chrasmologic," not even my massive Webster's
> Third or even the Web, but I recall it simply means "prophetic."
> Someone once posted here, "Probably some form (maybe dialectical) of
> chresmo- and the common suffix -logy.  Khresthai is Greek for to use, to
> need.  Khrestos means useful, serviceable, good.  Khresma would be a useful
> thing.  Khresmos means oracle, prophet.  Related words with this stem mean
> devoted to useful knowledge and learning, and a selection of passages and
> stories from various authors compiled as an aid to learning. The
> Chrasmologic Writings are the major religious work of the Vironese religion,
> and of other cities in the Whorl as well."
>
> Wolfe himself has said, "A melange, as you say. Typhon [the tyrannical
> builder and chief "god" of the Whorl] has told some secretary to put
> together a sacred book that will leave him plenty of elbow room. The book is
> sacred to Silk, not to me." This reinforces that whatever religion this is,
> it's not a true one.
>
> ---Finally, I haven't yet read AEG, but I have noticed a trend in Wolfe
> toward more action and dialog in his work, almost to the point where I have
> found it hard to follow which character is speaking in LS/SS.
> What many reviewers may not notice is that the stories themselves have
> become more intricate at the same time that they are more apparently slick
> and shallow. Reading the discussion here of AEG demonstrates that very
> powerfully.
> I doubt this derives from any laziness or interest in being popular on
> Wolfe's part (although he'd be silly to try to replicate or outdo TBotNS, 4
> volumes he had write a 5th volume to explain). I think he is simply
> following what he finds interesting, reducing storytelling to its bare bones
> so he can have fun with it.
>
>
>
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> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:09:56 +0000
> From: "Son of Witz" <sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org>
> Subject: Re: (urth) New interview
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> I agree, I'd love to hear Wolfe read it.
> Avers does a good job though. I really like his characterization of
> Severian, actually, just the right mix of foolishness and sophistication.  I
> do wonder about many of his pronunciations, which change from book to book
> as well.
> just started listening to the Nightside audiobook. I think it's Avers, but
> I skipped the attribution.  Right off the bat I was wondering about his
> pronunciation.  Pa(y)tera, not Pa(h)tera.  I think the phenome must be Pah,
> not Pay, by simple contrast to Maytera.
> As I may have mentioned, it's great to listen. I notice different stuff
> than when I'm reading.
>
> ~witz
>
> **********************************
>
> I'll spare anyone my speculations at this point, but I am wondering about
> if there is a difference between the Chrasmological Writings and the
> Charismatic Writings, or if "Charismatic" was a typo. At least one point he
> mentions the Chrasmatists, so I thought maybe wolfe just had a brain-fart
> that the editors didnt' notice.  There's at least one of those in NewSun,
> typo or brain-fart, regarding the Amphisbaena, where "hand" is written
> instead of "head"
>
> all right, this post probably isn't useful to anyone, but I had to talk
> about this book a bit.  It's going to be interesting to read the archives
> here about Long Sun.
>
>
>
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