Long Sun Laughs

John Watkins · 21 Jan 2009, 20:05 · from 2009-January.txt.gz

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From: john.watkins04 at gmail.com (John Watkins)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:05:01 -0500
Subject: (urth) Long Sun Laughs
In-Reply-To: <W671701059765331232567329@webmail22>
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Somewhat OT, but you'll enjoy it.

In Battlestar Galactica, insofar as there is a Christ-figure, it's Starbuck.

Also, Starbuck and Severian have the same number of letters and same initial
letter.

On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Son of Witz <sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org>wrote:

> I hadn't read that.
> but my point stands from his first line.
> "In so far as there is a Christ figure, it is Severian"
> I'm talking about symbolic metaphor, or loose analogy, not mundane plot.
> the same could be said for the Long Sun.
> In so far as there is a Christ figure, it is Silk.
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: John Watkins [mailto:john.watkins04 at gmail.com]
>  >Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 11:31 AM
> >To: 'The Urth Mailing List'
> >Subject: Re: (urth) Long Sun Laughs
> >
> >Why is the Jordan interview not the last word on this?  The emphasis is my
> >own.
> >
> >"*JJ:* The holy slaves [Heirodules], Famulimus or one of them tells
> Severian
> >that he is the center of his race, the savior of his race. That is such
> >Christlike language you can see why interpreters would say, Well Severian
> is
> >a Christ figure. But is there a Christ figure in the book, or is he simply
> >for this universe?
> >
> >*GW:* In so far as there is a Christ figure it is Severian. That doesn't
> >mean he has to be identified with Christ. He is in a position similar to
> >that of Christ. *But really it is a different position because Christ
> really
> >is both God and man. Severian is not*. Severian is a Christian rather than
> a
> >Christ. But he has been taken as the representative of humanity by whom
> >humanity is to be judged. This I think is what has happened perhaps with
> the
> >actual human Jesus. He is or was as fully human as you or I and we are
> saved
> >by Him. By the fact that he passed. That the corruption did not destroy
> Him.
> >I think that St. Paul is absolutely correct when he says that Jesus was
> >tempted in all the ways that we are tempted. I think that Jesus was
> tempted
> >to commit murder or any other sin that you want to name just as the rest
> of
> >us are. And the difference is that He did not sin."
> >
> >On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Son of Witz <sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org
> >wrote:
> >
> >> I knew both Watkins and Brewer couldn't leave that one. :D
> >>
> >> we all are.
> >> and we all must overcome our Typhons.
> >> ~witz
> >>
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >From: John Watkins [mailto:john.watkins04 at gmail.com]
> >> >Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 11:20 AM
> >> >To: 'The Urth Mailing List'
> >>  >Subject: Re: (urth) Long Sun Laughs
> >> >
> >> >On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Son of Witz <
> sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org
> >> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> thanks again for that Dave.
> >> >>
> >> >> this one strikes me as odd:
> >> >> 12. Who was Blood's father? -- Patera Pike. [DRL: This was a complete
> >> >> surprise all round, by the way.]
> >> >> I thought that was pretty clear in the book, much more clear than
> Silk
> >> >> being an engineered embryo.
> >> >>
> >> >> but I'd like to point out #15 to all the people here who contest the
> >> idea
> >> >> that Severian is an instantiation of Christ.
> >> >>
> >> >> 15. Is the Outsider a form of Severian? -- No. Severian is a form of
> the
> >> >> Outsider.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >As, by a certain logic, is everyone.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> ~witz
> >> >>
> >> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >> >From: Dave Tallman [mailto:davetallman at msn.com]
> >> >> >Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:36 AM
> >> >> >To: urth at lists.urth.net
> >> >> >Subject: Re: (urth) Long Sun Laughs
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Gene Wolfe answered several questions related to Quetzal's
> motivations
> >> in
> >> >> a
> >> >> >Q&A session recorded here:
> >> http://www.ansible.co.uk/cc/cc77.html/quetxal
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Check out answers 7, 23, and 24. He said that Quetzal wanted a
> >> "thriving
> >> >> >human colony on Green" (which almost seems like a contradiction in
> >> terms
> >> >> to
> >> >> >me).
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
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