Long Sun Laughs

Son of Witz · 21 Jan 2009, 20:45 · from 2009-January.txt.gz

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From: sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org (Son of Witz)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:45:47 +0000
Subject: (urth) Long Sun Laughs
Message-ID: <W70539642488791232570747@webmail46>

That's how I read that passage too.

but guys, I wasn't really trying to spark the debate.
I suppose it can't be helped from such a provocative comment though. sorry.

RE: BSG,
I've been wondering about that. I've been wondering if Gaius isn't being set up as some dubious sort of Christlike messiah.  I've only watched 4 eps of season 4 though.  And I hope that suspicion is wrong.  But he prayed, and that kid was healed, and he's got some sort of "chosen one" charm about him.
damn, I gotta catch up before friday. hope netflix comes in time.
PLEASE NO BSG SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD.

~witz

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>Was that from before or after TUotNS? 
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>Because certain passages during a healing scene make it pretty clear that Severian (or a part of Severian's consciousness) observes himself as something huge squeezing itself through tiny human senses. That's a god talking.
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>It may leave room for temporary goddish intervention, but Severian himself observes this as though it is he who is the god, not as though someone else is the god.
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>Perhaps Wolfe rethought it.
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>From: John Watkins <john.watkins04 at gmail.com>
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>Why is the Jordan interview not the last word on this?  The emphasis is my
>own.
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>"*JJ:* The holy slaves [Heirodules], Famulimus or one of them tells Severian
>that he is the center of his race, the savior of his race. That is such
>Christlike language you can see why interpreters would say, Well Severian is
>a Christ figure. But is there a Christ figure in the book, or is he simply
>for this universe?
>
>*GW:* In so far as there is a Christ figure it is Severian. That doesn't
>mean he has to be identified with Christ. He is in a position similar to
>that of Christ. *But really it is a different position because Christ really
>is both God and man. Severian is not*. Severian is a Christian rather than a
>Christ. But he has been taken as the representative of humanity by whom
>humanity is to be judged. This I think is what has happened perhaps with the
>actual human Jesus. He is or was as fully human as you or I and we are saved
>by Him. By the fact that he passed. That the corruption did not destroy Him.
>I think that St. Paul is absolutely correct when he says that Jesus was
>tempted in all the ways that we are tempted. I think that Jesus was tempted
>to commit murder or any other sin that you want to name just as the rest of
>us are. And the difference is that He did not sin."
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