Long Sun Laughs

John Watkins · 21 Jan 2009, 20:50 · from 2009-January.txt.gz

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From: john.watkins04 at gmail.com (John Watkins)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:50:11 -0500
Subject: (urth) Long Sun Laughs
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Note that Baltar + Anders = Baldanders.

Brilliant.

On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Son of Witz <sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org>wrote:

> That's how I read that passage too.
>
> but guys, I wasn't really trying to spark the debate.
> I suppose it can't be helped from such a provocative comment though. sorry.
>
> RE: BSG,
> I've been wondering about that. I've been wondering if Gaius isn't being
> set up as some dubious sort of Christlike messiah.  I've only watched 4 eps
> of season 4 though.  And I hope that suspicion is wrong.  But he prayed, and
> that kid was healed, and he's got some sort of "chosen one" charm about him.
> damn, I gotta catch up before friday. hope netflix comes in time.
> PLEASE NO BSG SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD.
>
> ~witz
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: David Stockhoff [mailto:dstockhoff at verizon.net]
> >Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 12:22 PM
> >To: urth at lists.urth.net
> >Subject: Re: (urth) Long Sun Laughs
> >
> >Was that from before or after TUotNS?
> >
> >Because certain passages during a healing scene make it pretty clear that
> Severian (or a part of Severian's consciousness) observes himself as
> something huge squeezing itself through tiny human senses. That's a god
> talking.
> >
> >It may leave room for temporary goddish intervention, but Severian himself
> observes this as though it is he who is the god, not as though someone else
> is the god.
> >
> >Perhaps Wolfe rethought it.
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Message: 8
> >Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:31:07 -0500
> >From: John Watkins <john.watkins04 at gmail.com>
> >Subject: Re: (urth) Long Sun Laughs
> >To: The Urth Mailing List <urth at lists.urth.net>
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> >
> >Why is the Jordan interview not the last word on this?  The emphasis is my
> >own.
> >
> >"*JJ:* The holy slaves [Heirodules], Famulimus or one of them tells
> Severian
> >that he is the center of his race, the savior of his race. That is such
> >Christlike language you can see why interpreters would say, Well Severian
> is
> >a Christ figure. But is there a Christ figure in the book, or is he simply
> >for this universe?
> >
> >*GW:* In so far as there is a Christ figure it is Severian. That doesn't
> >mean he has to be identified with Christ. He is in a position similar to
> >that of Christ. *But really it is a different position because Christ
> really
> >is both God and man. Severian is not*. Severian is a Christian rather than
> a
> >Christ. But he has been taken as the representative of humanity by whom
> >humanity is to be judged. This I think is what has happened perhaps with
> the
> >actual human Jesus. He is or was as fully human as you or I and we are
> saved
> >by Him. By the fact that he passed. That the corruption did not destroy
> Him.
> >I think that St. Paul is absolutely correct when he says that Jesus was
> >tempted in all the ways that we are tempted. I think that Jesus was
> tempted
> >to commit murder or any other sin that you want to name just as the rest
> of
> >us are. And the difference is that He did not sin."
> >
> >
> >
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