Wolfean theologies

John Watkins · 05 Feb 2009, 15:23 · from 2009-February.txt.gz

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From: john.watkins04 at gmail.com (John Watkins)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 10:23:57 -0500
Subject: (urth) Wolfean theologies
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On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Son of Witz <sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org>wrote:

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> I certainly don't care to argue about what any of us here believe, but
> discussing different interpretations of texts, Wolfe's or those that
> informed Wolfe, are FAIR GAME.  I'm not presenting myself as better than any
> Catholics here. I made a critique about an institution's problems. Can't
> I?
>


Well, no, you really shouldn't, because a)  your opinion about the
historical consequences of the Filioque is irrelevant, as far as I can tell,
to anything Wolfe has ever written, and b)  it pollutes the list because
naturally Catholics will want to defend themselves and their Church.
Hair-pulling to get a reaction, well, gets reactions.  That's why it doesn't
belong.



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> On Feb 5, 2009, at 3:57 AM, Matt Teel wrote:
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> Amen to that, Chris.
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>> I am full of responses to your idiotic assertions, witz, but I'm going to
>> resist, because this conversation has little-if-anything to do with GENE
>> WOLFE.  If that makes you feel like you won the argument, great.  If it
>> makes you feel like you lost, then console yourself with how broad-minded
>> and inquisitive you are (and how narrow-minded and thin-skinned those
>> Catholics are) and let's get on with the interpretation of this man's life
>> work.
>>
>> Matt Teel
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>> --- On Thu, 2/5/09, Chris P <rasputin_ at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> From: Chris P <rasputin_ at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: (urth) Wolfean theologies
>> To: urth at lists.urth.net
>> Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 7:37 AM
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>> "Priest rapists", your mother, her drinking habits, and Satanists are - as
>> far as I can tell - immaterial to Wolfe's work.
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>> I'm sure some people probably were offended by what you said. But others
>> probably checked their email, browsed through messages on the list and
>> wondered "why are we talking about priest rapists?" And the answer, as near
>> as I can tell, is "No good reason at all." Digressions happen, but when
>> they're presented in a way that's deliberately designed to an angry (and
>> equally pointless) response for everyone else to read through, it's just
>> trolling.
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>> -- "When small men begin to cast big shadows, it means that the sun is
>> about to set." -- Lin Yutang
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>> > From: sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org
>> > To: urth at lists.urth.net
>> > Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 23:14:37 -0800
>> > Subject: Re: (urth) Wolfean theologies
>> >
>> > sorry I've got some critical things to say about your momma.
>> > It ain't like she's innocent.
>> > *resists yo mama joke*
>> > No one complained when I bagged on Scientific Materialism.
>> > and "Foul Mouth Whore" is insulting language, which I did not use.
>> > I suggested that one error perhaps led to some real problems.
>> > Just as my mother's drinking led to her neglect of her children and
>> > herself.
>> > I think the Catholic Church has real, big time issues. sorry if it
>> > offends y'all, but how long can you talk about doctrinal differences
>> > between sect's interpretations without stepping on some toes?
>> >
>> > I'm trying to be thoughtful about my comments, knowing that there are
>> > bound to be a lot of Catholics here, as Wolfe is a self-proclaimed
>> > "Catholic Writer". I don't think Wolfe's writing is at all orthodox
>> > though. I dug the situation with Quetzal because the idea of a vampire
>> > at the top of the church is EXACTLY what I've felt about the Pope my
>> > ENTIRE life. Fucking Literally. Should I not say that here because
>> > some of you are down with the Pope? Surely you all have tougher skin
>> > than that. Sorry, if your faith or church can't withstand some tough
>> > questions, what is it worth?
>> >
>> > I think Satanists are selfish idiots. anyone offended?
>> >
>> > ~Son
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>> >
>> > On Feb 4, 2009, at 8:35 PM, Matthew King wrote:
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>> > > On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Son of Witz <
>> sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org
>> > > > wrote:
>> > >> I'm not harshing on Catholics,
>> > >> I'm harshing on the Catholic Church.
>> > >
>> > > Son, if I may call you that, this is akin to declaring, "I'm not
>> > > saying you're a son of a bitch, just that your mother is a
>> > > foul-mouthed whore."
>> > >
>> > >> Like I might bag on Iran without
>> > >> offense to Iranians
>> > >
>> > > Most of the rest of the inhabitants of the world have not yet
>> > > convinced themselves that they are wholly unconcerned with the fate
>> > > and reputation of their communities. I submit that you would meet
>> > > much the same reaction in badmouthing Iran to Persians.
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