Ship Volant
Son of Witz · 18 Feb 2009, 21:28
· from 2009-February.txt.gz
This is the message as the crawl holds it, before anything
here touched it. What the conversation shows has been through ingest: transfer
encodings decoded, attachments dropped, quote markers repaired, and the
archiver’s ? resolved into quotation marks and dashes. Those
repairs are judgements and some of them are wrong, which is what this page is
for. Email addresses are obscured here as they are everywhere else on the site,
so it is before our repairs rather than byte for byte.
From: sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org (Son of Witz) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 21:28:42 +0000 Subject: (urth) Ship Volant Message-ID: <W9232329128243121234992522@webmail23> Roy, thanks for justifying it with the text. great stuff. I agree about the significance this ship has linking Severian, the Autarch, and Ymar. I feel certain the face on that particular coin is the current Autarch (Appian) because of the androgeny. First he thinks it's a woman's face, which is more or less his first thought when he meets Appian in the House Azure. Man, I wish I had all day to draw on this stuff right now. so rarely get the time to work on it. ~witz >-----Original Message----- >From: Roy C. Lackey [mailto:rclackey at stic.net] >Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 12:40 PM >To: 'The Urth Mailing List' >Subject: Re: (urth) Ship Volant > >Son of Witz wrote: >> Thanks. This is all really helpful. >> Since I always pictured a masted ship, and Tzadkiel's reinforces that >concept, I suppose I'll go with a Ship under full sail, at an upward >angle.<< > >That is almost certain to be correct. See the description of the tender that >brought Severian and Burgundofara back to Urth: > >"I recall thinking, as I leaned over the railing and watched dots of red and >gold turn to woodlots, and brown smudges to fields of tangled stalks, how >strange we should have looked had there been anyone to watch us, a trim >pinnace-just such a vessel as might have lain alongside some wharf in >Nessus-floating silently down out of the sky." (URTH, chap. XXVIII, 196) > >And when the tender rose: > >"We turned-as I believe no one could have helped turning-and watched the >tender rise, righting herself as soon as her keel was free of the soil, >bobbing in a gentle swell none but she could feel and lifting like a kite. >We had come to Urth through clouds, as I have said; but the tender found an >opening in them (I cannot but think it was so we might watch her) and rose >through it, higher and higher, until hull and masts were no more than a >pinprick of golden light. At length we saw her blossom to a shining speck, >like the steel that falls from a file; then we knew that her crew had freed >her sails, all of silver metal and each bigger than many an isle, and >sheeted them home, and that we would not see her again." (ibid. 196-197) > >> It's interesting to see the different responses. I guess I shouldn't be >surprised to hear that some folks picture a rocket ship. >> Makes it clear to me that while I might try to satisfy the text, it would >be very hard to arrive at some consensus image.<< > >It is not likely that the image on the coin (the same as on the mausoleum) >was of a conventional rocket ship. There were no working spacecraft of that >type on Urth. It would be almost impossible to represent the seven-sided >Ship of Tzadkiel on a coin. Remember that both Severian and the Old Autarch >had been shuttled between Urth and the Ship by a tender like the one >described above, and the Old Autarch's face was on the obverse side of the >coin. The flying ship was the symbol he and Severian (and possibly Ymar) had >in common. > >-Roy > >_______________________________________________ >Urth Mailing List >To post, write urth at urth.net >Subscription/information: http://www.urth.net >
An unofficial mirror of a public mailing list · about & removal requests · download the archive · before the list · original archive at urth.net