Alan Moore
Son of Witz · 17 Mar 2009, 06:26
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From: sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org (Son of Witz) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:26:25 -0700 Subject: (urth) Alan Moore In-Reply-To: <1556.67.142.130.39.1237266391.squirrel at brunians.org> References: <W447681238525221237244914@webmail21> <6766.67.142.130.43.1237248642.squirrel at brunians.org> <AA496233-0862-4187-8D8A-EF77ED1347E8 at butcherbaker.org> <8FBE9D02-8F3F-4F3E-921C-B35C257F9E0A at io.com> <2605.67.142.130.41.1237261735.squirrel at brunians.org> <BLU120-W152537BAF5B236D272D62186980 at phx.gbl> <1556.67.142.130.39.1237266391.squirrel at brunians.org> Message-ID: <B2156387-2C0B-41C8-A692-569C229615F0 at butcherbaker.org> On Mar 16, 2009, at 10:06 PM, brunians at brunians.org wrote: > Alan Moore is or is not the author of 'From Hell' and 'V for > Vendetta'? > > Yes indeed Gene Wolfe's work is overtly political. I find it > interesting > that politics is almost never discussed on this list. I would > welcome a > discussion of the politics of Wolfe's work. "V for Vendetta" is much more politically charged than Watchmen, in that "V for Vendetta" is making a case for anarchism, and distinctly critiquing the Thatcher era as fascist. Sure, Watchmen questions American power, but it's hardly just about that, and it's not making a case for any political system. It's asking questions, not giving pat political answers. On Mar 16, 2009, at 5:10 PM, brunians at brunians.org wrote: > Tough. The World is a certain way. Some problems don't have > solutions. The > sooner you accept that, the more useful you will be in solving the > problems that do have solutions. So, we shouldn't write stories about problems that don't have solutions? Is that what you're saying? Surely there's been plenty of great stories about death, war, loss, and many other REAL problems that people face. I don't find anything "Whiney or anarchist" about Watchmen's message. I see an author giving us a profound meditation on how our attempts to use power and violence to protect and bring peace often disfigure humanity, as well as it's parallel question of who monitors those judges and keeps them in check. That's NOT to say that the book is saying "Don't fight" or, "No one should have the power", or any other trite pacifist sort of statement. It's a profound question; What gives someone the right to set themselves up as judge, jury and executioner? This certainly applies to the vigilantes in the story, but also applies to a government run amok, exemplified by a Nixon character who has stayed in office for 5 terms. In most examples in the book, they all go too far and lose there humanity. The Dr. Manhattan character is especially loaded in this respect, because he is, symbolically and literally, a product of The Bomb. Bombing Hiroshima, I believe, did some strange things to our psyche. I might go so far as to say we were psychologically disfigured, but I'll leave that to Alan Moore to do. But, you know, who judges between such scales? What did Oppenheimer say, "I am become Death." Anyway, Moore asks those questions with Watchmen, and one of it's strengths is that it doesn't give an answer. He doesn't try to set up some idealistic example of an alternative. He doesn't moralize and say it's "wrong", he just explores the topic, masterfully, through the small and large parts of the story. His theme resonates throughout the work, in just about every pore. I've encountered few writers who have done it so well. Wolfe is another. Sorry if I seem pitched. I've seen a few politicized comments that struck me as completely off base in regards to Watchmen. an interesting one was "OH NO, ANOTHER REPUBLICAN HATING MOVIE" . Wow, what a facile, knee jerk mis-read! By all means, pick apart "V for Vendetta" on political grounds, but Watchmen is operating at a philosophical level that is relevant to any political persuasion. They're human questions of how concepts like Revenge and War and the Power-to-destroy-ourselves affects our psyche and the world around us. ~witz
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