Babbie

Son of Witz · 19 Mar 2009, 05:23 · from 2009-March.txt.gz

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From: sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org (Son of Witz)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:23:24 -0700
Subject: (urth) Babbie
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On Mar 18, 2009, at 10:09 PM, James Wynn wrote:

>> Witz: I think there's some timeline screw up here.
>> When Horn get's permission, he's plain Horn. The Rajan writes about  
>> it after the fact, with his Horn memories.
>> he'd have to be lying, which is of course possible, but...
>
> When tBotSS starts, it is the Raja who is writing. Not only is he  
> Horn, but he is also Silk. He has already flown to Green and died,  
> returned to the Whorl, and come back to rule. The Raja is a  
> Neighbor, but he has all of Horn's memories and identity within him.  
> Same for Silk. 100% of what Horn was is within him. 100% of Silk.
>
> The Raja makes a choice to assert Horn within him. He could have  
> chosen to do the same for Silk. He doesn't for a very obvious  
> reason. When he says he's Horn, he's not lying. He's disturbed. As  
> so often is the case with Wolfe's characters, he's telling a lie  
> that is also the truth, but it's not the whole truth.
>
> He denies his Neighborness for the same reason he denies he is  
> Silk...because if he's really "not-Horn" then Horn is dead and he  
> killed him. It is not until after the battle that he embraces who he  
> is at a conscious level. But he still can't bring himself to face  
> Hoof and Hide on the day he leaves for the Whorl --as he says--  
> because he killed their father.
>
> J.

Ok. I just read that old post of yours, and I think I get you more  
clearly.
http://lists.urth.net/htdig.cgi/urth-urth.net/2004-December/004360.html

You're NOT including Pas in your Trinity right?  just Horn/Silk/ 
Neighbor.  Not Horn/Silk/Neighbor/Pas.
It's very interesting what you're laying out.  but if the souls add up  
to four, it's not right. But it looks like you're only counting three  
souls, so it may hold water.
I think what is needed to really seal the deal for me is some textual  
reason to have the Greenbuck a Neighbor. My memory loses track of lots  
of things, but I can't remember justifcation for that.
I certainly felt, when I read the pit scene, that he had died, but  
that may have just been Severian conditioning on my brain. Then I was  
unsure aftewards.

~witz

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