Babbie

John Watkins · 19 Mar 2009, 13:54 · from 2009-March.txt.gz

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From: john.watkins04 at gmail.com (John Watkins)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:54:30 -0400
Subject: (urth) Babbie
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On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 7:43 AM, David Stockhoff <dstockhoff at verizon.net>wrote:

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> Thus, even the dead ends are not really "dead" just as the gods and their
> myths are not really "false," and since the "traps and snares" I referred to
> (Milton) are always set by the Devil, who apparently has no presence in
> Wolfe (or if he does he works for the Increate), they don't exist. It's an
> interesting contrast with Protestantism---and Satan-obsessed Catholicism?
>
> I think the Devil does exist in Wolfe's work.  He's portrayed pretty
directly in Wizard Knight, for example, and I'm not sure we're supposed to
think that there's anything redeemable about the Squid God and his ilk.

That said, I do think that Wolfe flirts with the Origenism we see in George
MacDonald and, to a lesser extent, C.S. Lewis.



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> David, that's a really interesting reading. I tend to think that Wolfe is
> more ambiguous. It's not all good, and, in fact, the way I see it, most of
> his stories are about the never-ending problems of figuring out the dead
> ends from the good made up stuff. Otherwise, why wouldn't Severian be fine
> believing in the Claw? Or why would Silk have to have the Outsider help him
> see through Pas? Or why would Able have to be forced to look up to Michael
> instead of down to Disiri, etc.?
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> I think you're right that, in the end, all the "false gods" seem to be able
> to be integrated, but it takes his heroes a lot of time figuring out how to
> do it properly without following divergent paths.
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