Babbie

Jordon Flato · 19 Mar 2009, 19:53 · from 2009-March.txt.gz

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From: jordonflato at gmail.com (Jordon Flato)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:53:54 -0700
Subject: (urth) Babbie
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Also, He-Pen-Sheep calls Horn neighbor man because of the ring seawrack
gives horn:

"When I asked what a Neighbor-man was, he laughed and pointed to the ring
Sewrack had given me.  "You Neighbor Man."

It's the ring that lets He-Pens-Sheep to identify Horn as a neighborman, not
any recognition of a Neighbor Soul in Horn.

I'm not trying to shoot you down here James, I just don't see any evidence,
espeically with what Roy brings above, that indicates that the Greenbuck was
a Neighbor at all.  It doesn't track with me, or with the text, as far as I
can tell.  The above corrected quote from Roy, which is correct and
different from how you quoted it, removes some of the ambiguity.

Again, doesn't destroy the theory, but two important points of it have at
least been called into question....

On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Roy C. Lackey <rclackey at stic.net> wrote:

> James Wynn quoted and wrote:
>
> > >Witz: I really think your theory is interesting, but I think it needs
> the
> > >justification for the Neighbor being a greenbuck.
> >
> > There are casual hints about this on the level of the one Stuart Hamm
> > offered, but I don't think it ever gets any clearer than OBW (HB) pg 272
> > "'My name is Horn.' I offered him my hand.
> > He took it, and this time I felt his hand and **remembered hard**, and
> > seemed to
> > be covered with short, stiff hairs. Beyond that I will not say. "
> (emphasis
> > mine)
> >
> > What he remembers here is being a greenbuck. It doesn't sound like a
> human
> > or a tree or a spider. [snip]
>
> I said I didn't want to get into this stuff again. I don't and I won't. But
> . . . when I read the above quote from OBW, p-272, then compare it with the
> wording in my copy, I come away with a different impression:
> -----------------------------
>     "My name is Horn." I offered him my hand.
>     He took it, and this time I felt his hand and remembered it. It was
> hard, and seemed to be covered with short, stiff hairs. Beyond that I will
> not say.
> -------------------------------
>
> What he remembers here is the feel of the Neighbor's hand, not himself
> being
> a greenbuck. The reference to remembering the feel of the Neighbor's hand
> "this time"is to their having touched hands five pages earlier (p-267),
> when
> the Neighbor had helped him stand up. He said that he didn't remember how
> the Neighbor's hands had felt when he was helped up, but he did take notice
> when they shook hands.
>
> This does not ruin your theory, per se, but it does cast more than a little
> doubt on the notion that Silkhorn remembers being a greenbuck.
>
> -Roy
>
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