Babbie

Son of Witz · 19 Mar 2009, 20:28 · from 2009-March.txt.gz

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From: sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org (Son of Witz)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:28:02 +0000
Subject: (urth) Babbie
Message-ID: <W944121230398371237494482@webmail27>

I've got to third this.
my text matches Roy's correction.
it really notches the idea down.
Even that a Stag can be a god (is that right) doesn't really jibe because teh neighbors are not gods.

~witz

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jordon Flato [mailto:jordonflato at gmail.com]
>Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:53 PM
>To: 'The Urth Mailing List'
>Subject: Re: (urth) Babbie
>
>Also, He-Pen-Sheep calls Horn neighbor man because of the ring seawrack
>gives horn:
>
>"When I asked what a Neighbor-man was, he laughed and pointed to the ring
>Sewrack had given me.  "You Neighbor Man."
>
>It's the ring that lets He-Pens-Sheep to identify Horn as a neighborman, not
>any recognition of a Neighbor Soul in Horn.
>
>I'm not trying to shoot you down here James, I just don't see any evidence,
>espeically with what Roy brings above, that indicates that the Greenbuck was
>a Neighbor at all.  It doesn't track with me, or with the text, as far as I
>can tell.  The above corrected quote from Roy, which is correct and
>different from how you quoted it, removes some of the ambiguity.
>
>Again, doesn't destroy the theory, but two important points of it have at
>least been called into question....
>
>On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Roy C. Lackey <rclackey at stic.net> wrote:
>
>> James Wynn quoted and wrote:
>>
>> > >Witz: I really think your theory is interesting, but I think it needs
>> the
>> > >justification for the Neighbor being a greenbuck.
>> >
>> > There are casual hints about this on the level of the one Stuart Hamm
>> > offered, but I don't think it ever gets any clearer than OBW (HB) pg 272
>> > "'My name is Horn.' I offered him my hand.
>> > He took it, and this time I felt his hand and **remembered hard**, and
>> > seemed to
>> > be covered with short, stiff hairs. Beyond that I will not say. "
>> (emphasis
>> > mine)
>> >
>> > What he remembers here is being a greenbuck. It doesn't sound like a
>> human
>> > or a tree or a spider. [snip]
>>
>> I said I didn't want to get into this stuff again. I don't and I won't. But
>> . . . when I read the above quote from OBW, p-272, then compare it with the
>> wording in my copy, I come away with a different impression:
>> -----------------------------
>>     "My name is Horn." I offered him my hand.
>>     He took it, and this time I felt his hand and remembered it. It was
>> hard, and seemed to be covered with short, stiff hairs. Beyond that I will
>> not say.
>> -------------------------------
>>
>> What he remembers here is the feel of the Neighbor's hand, not himself
>> being
>> a greenbuck. The reference to remembering the feel of the Neighbor's hand
>> "this time"is to their having touched hands five pages earlier (p-267),
>> when
>> the Neighbor had helped him stand up. He said that he didn't remember how
>> the Neighbor's hands had felt when he was helped up, but he did take notice
>> when they shook hands.
>>
>> This does not ruin your theory, per se, but it does cast more than a little
>> doubt on the notion that Silkhorn remembers being a greenbuck.
>>
>> -Roy
>>
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