Future Echoes: Hut in the Jungle +

John Watkins · 20 Mar 2009, 17:04 · from 2009-March.txt.gz

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From: john.watkins04 at gmail.com (John Watkins)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:04:13 -0400
Subject: (urth) Future Echoes: Hut in the Jungle +
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I started to say, "Yes, that made it look like the miracles were a religious
thing--regilding things, making them more perfect, et cetera, which is not
obviously connected to time travel."

And then I remembered who Wolfe's favorite novelist is.  Proust.  "In Search
of Lost Time."  "Time Regained."

Sometimes the answers are simple.

On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Jordon Flato <jordonflato at gmail.com>wrote:

> And, if the goblet of water that turns to wine in the Inn in Saltus USED to
> have wine in it before it held water, that would explain that 'miracle'
> also...a reversal of time.  This 'miracle' has always plagued me as being
> qualitatively different than the rest.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 9:54 AM, John Watkins <john.watkins04 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Dorcas thinks that the Claw works by reversing time.  I've always thought
>> that that was wrong-headed--that it just works because it's divine
>> power--magic.
>>
>> Now that I read this passage, however, I'm starting to come around to
>> Dorcas's view.  My knowledge of physics is pretty minimal, but I have this
>> vague idea that time slows down as one speeds up and would actually go
>> backwards if one could exceed the speed of light, which of course is
>> impossible.  But if it *weren't *impossible, it would still be *impractical
>> *because of the tremendous amount of energy it would take...unless one
>> had the ability to channel some kind of divine energy, flowing from a higher
>> plane of existence, much like Severian does.  Maybe that's *exactly *how
>> the Claw works, and this thing about the flower leaping into being is a hint
>> of that.
>>
>>   On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Son of Witz <
>> sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> >-----Original Message-----
>>> >From: Adam Thornton [mailto:adam at io.com]
>>> >Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 09:44 AM
>>> >To: 'The Urth Mailing List'
>>>  >Subject: Re: (urth) Future Echoes:  Hut in the Jungle +
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >On Mar 20, 2009, at 11:38 AM, Son of Witz wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> "Beside me, Dorcas plucked a water hyacinth and put it in her hair.
>>> >> Except for the vague spot of white on the bank some distance ahead,
>>> >> it was the first flower I had seen in the Garden of Endless Sleep; I
>>> >> looked for others, but saw none. Is it possible the flower came into
>>> >> being only because Dorcas reached for it? In daylight moments, I
>>> >> know as well as the next that such things are impossible;"
>>> >
>>> >So, it's not hyacinths.
>>> >
>>> >Oh.  Hyacinth.
>>> >
>>> >Um.  Anyway, so, it's not hyacinths, but as long as we're doing
>>> >temporally-reversed scenes, how about when the monster drowns the
>>> >little girl who's tossing the flower petals into the pool in the
>>> >Karloff _Frankenstein_?  Here we have the time reversal where Dorcas
>>> >is produced from the pool, and then the flower petals.
>>> >
>>> >I'm probably just seeing spectres.
>>> >
>>> >Adam
>>>
>>>
>>> I seem to see the wispy edges of a ghost there...
>>>
>>> ~witz
>>>
>>>
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