Gene Wolfe's Politics
Adam Thornton · 01 Apr 2009, 00:57
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From: adam at io.com (Adam Thornton) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:57:25 -0500 Subject: (urth) Gene Wolfe's Politics In-Reply-To: <3830.67.142.130.28.1238541246.squirrel at brunians.org> References: <mailman.1.1238533680.13689.urth-urth.net at lists.urth.net> <49D28BE0.80502 at verizon.net> <14905.67.142.130.28.1238535443.squirrel at brunians.org> <3A39D780-A778-4C9C-A278-1280874658E3 at io.com> <15866.67.142.130.28.1238535918.squirrel at brunians.org> <044CA101-0B24-45BB-9FAE-75C1FC3AF288 at io.com> <3830.67.142.130.28.1238541246.squirrel at brunians.org> Message-ID: <C4D4B8F4-94F8-48CF-A102-F007C16C245C at io.com> On Mar 31, 2009, at 6:14 PM, brunians at brunians.org wrote: > I don't think that I would deny that police services are a proper > function > of government: sometimes when people talk about protecting the weak > from > the strong, they are really talking about taking money away from > people > who have it and spending it on people who do not have it: I will > come flat > out and ask you if that is what you mean, or part of it. If you are going to insist on a radically-stupidified-and-insulting caricature, yes, that is what I mean. Your inability to, for instance, pay for police protection or legal counsel should not mean that you can be abused with impunity. Universal access to police services or a code of law that applies to both rich and poor both "take money away from people who have it and spend it on people who do not have it." I would go farther: it is immoral and to everyone's ultimate detriment to allow anyone, however worthless, however much of a net cost rather than a net benefit to society, to starve or die of an easily-and- cheaply treatable disease. I understand that you fundamentally disagree and that we will not be able to find common ground. I believe that, unless you can find some way to turn this back to Gene Wolfe, that I will stop trying to discuss this with you. I am not a Libertarian, and I believe, in general, that Libertarians do not realize that a civil society has a positive value, or perhaps they radically overestimate their chances of medium-to-long-term survival in a world in which each person gets precisely the law he pays for. Adam
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