Hut/Ultan's Library/Catherine

David Stockhoff · 08 Apr 2009, 18:08 · from 2009-April.txt.gz

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From: dstockhoff at verizon.net (David Stockhoff)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 14:08:34 -0400
Subject: (urth) Hut/Ultan's Library/Catherine
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I suspect the thrust of the "tribade" conversation at Vodalus' forest 
citadel is being missed or over-interpreted. It's clear that the concern 
about the previously eaten woman's lesbianism (whether or not she bred 
or would have bred) comes purely from a male character's "libertine" 
desire to experience heterosexual sex from a woman's perspective. That's 
all there is to it.

The Vodalarii are into doing alzabo for the sex. The Waldgrave is 
presumably the one who wants to "remember" having sex with men as a 
woman; the other men would probably enjoy "remembering" having sex with 
women as a woman just as much. Either way, the men all want to "sink 
into" being a woman.

Claw chapter 11:

Our five guards, who had talked only reluctantly at first in response to 
Jonas's

jests and queries, grew more cheerful as I became more desperate, 
gossiping as

if they were on the way to a drinking bout or a brothel. Yet though I 
recognized

the note of anticipation in their voices, the gibes they made were as

unintelligible to me as the banter of libertines is to a little child: 
"Going

far this time? Going to drown yourself again?" (This from the man at the 
back of

our party, a mere disembodied voice in the dark.)

"By Erebus, I'm going to sink so far you won't see me until winter."

A voice I recognized as belonging to the armiger asked, "Have any of you 
seen

her yet?" The others had sounded merely boastful, but there was hunger 
of a kind

I had never heard before behind his simple words, He might have been 
some lost

traveler asking about his home.

"No, Waldgrave,"

(Another voice.) "Alcmund says a good one, not old or too young."

"Not another tribade, I hope."

"I don't . . ."

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03:30:47 -0500 From: Jeff Wilson <jwilson at io.com> Subject: Re: (urth) 
Hut/Ultan's Library/Catherine To: The Urth Mailing List 
<urth at lists.urth.net> Message-ID: <49DC60B7.7030701 at io.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Son of Witz 
wrote:

> > 
> > On Apr 5, 2009, at 7:44 PM, Jeff Wilson wrote:
> > 
>   
>> >> Don't the Vodalarii in the forest mention that the previous meal was a 
>> >> lesbian? That would seem to disqualify her from most family trees and 
>> >> rule out life experiences more noteworthy than homosexuality, or 
>> >> they'd refer to her as a time traveler or a fallen courtier rather 
>> >> than a tribadist.
>>     
> > 
> > Come on now, Lesbians are capable of having children. many do.
>   

Yes, I realize that many (in fact, most in my experience) homosexuals 
have kids and ostensibly hetero marriages, but how heteronormative can 
you be when even the people who have shared your most intimate thoughts 
and feelings think of you primarily in terms of your gay orientation?

-- Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com < http://www.io.com/~jwilson > 
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