Urth Digest, Vol 56, Issue 37

Jordon Flato · 16 Apr 2009, 21:33 · from 2009-April.txt.gz

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From: jordonflato at gmail.com (Jordon Flato)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 14:33:40 -0700
Subject: (urth) Urth Digest, Vol 56, Issue 37
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Yeah, I note all of those points, and just don't find them compelling,
sorry.  We'll probably just see it differently.

I also just don't see how it adds anything to the thematic content, and to
me it also takes away from it, which is one of the tests I usually posit
Wolfe Textual theories against.

Again, don't mean you ain't right, just that I don't see it.

For instance, seeing someone unmoving at the bottom of a dimly lit pit from
30 feet, and assuming them dead, does not, to me, seem at all unusual.

And as for the neighbor saying "I am Horn" I can write more on that later.
That one line, if taken by itself, may indicate what you mean.  To me, you
then have to contort yourself into thematic pretzles to indicate how a
Neighbor giving permission to a neighbor (horn), is in any way thematically
or textually intersesting...to me.  What would the point of that be?  Oh,
hey, you may not know it yet, but you are a sleeper agent, and we'll get you
to agree to let us come back to this planet to visit, as a representative
of...*wink wink*...humanity!

Anyway, I'm really not trying to be dismissive.  I see your points, just
don't feel them in any way.

And Oreb was clearly faking it.  Not resurrecting. ;)

On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 2:08 PM, James Wynn <crushtv at gmail.com> wrote:

>  In this reading of SS I've been looking for NeighberHorn clues,
>> and just don't find anything at all that seems viable.
>> It's a nifty theory, but it just seems to be a huge stretch to me,
>> and I've been trying to pay close attention.
>>
> >Have you gone back and reread it lately to look for more evidence?
>
>> I'd be interested to follow that.
>>
>
> Not yet, but it's on my list of things to do. I'm currently working
> straight through from FHoC, Peace, Devil in the Forest, etc etc etc. Still,
> it will be very hard to overcome "I just don't see it".
>
> 1) Horn was resurrected from the dead after three days even though Seawrack
> and Babbie were not in any doubt that he was dead. I doubt I'll find more
> compelling evidence than that.
>
> 2) Resurrected Horn shakes hands with a Neighbor who declares that he
> himself is Horn.
>
> 3) The Raja flat out denies that he is the fellow (whose name he forgets)
> that wore a ring and died on Green and was transferred to a body on the
> Whorl. Yet asserts (a lie) that in fact he is Horn (who died in the pit).
>
> Incidentally, (not that it proves anything, I guess) in interviews Wolfe
> refers to the narrator of SS as the Raja. Not Horn. Not Silkhorn.
>
> And wait, why am I not remembering when Oreb died in LS?
>>
>
> Chapter 2 of Nightside. Silk bought Oreb to sacrifice him to the Outsider.
> But just before he could, Oreb dropped dead (a bad sign).  And then suddenly
> *he's alive again*! Some people say Oreb was only faking which strikes me as
> very similar to what some say about dead Horn in the pit.
>
>
> J.
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