PF as YA

Dan'l Danehy-Oakes · 20 Apr 2009, 16:49 · from 2009-April.txt.gz

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From: danldo at gmail.com (Dan'l Danehy-Oakes)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 09:49:40 -0700
Subject: (urth) PF as YA
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That's weird. In our diocese there's a clear distinction between
"transitional deacons"
who expect to become priests and "permanant deacons" which are the married men
who assist in parishes.

On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Fred Kiesche <recursive_loop at yahoo.com> wrote:
> If you are a deacon (we have four in our RC parish) and your wife dies,
> you've made a committment to become a priest...
>
> F.P. Kiesche III
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> --- On Mon, 4/20/09, "Fernando Q. Gouv?a" <fqgouvea at colby.edu> wrote:
>
> From: "Fernando Q. Gouv?a" <fqgouvea at colby.edu>
> Subject: Re: (urth) PF as YA
> To: "The Urth Mailing List" <urth at lists.urth.net>
> Date: Monday, April 20, 2009, 11:29 AM
>
> I don't quite remember the rules, but isn't there some special provision
> for men who were married before becoming priests?
>
> Fernando
>
> Allan Anderson wrote:
>> Henry Eissler wrote:
>>> Fernando Q. Gouv?a wrote:
>>>
>>>> See my other comment about "YA". I'm not sure what
> that means any more. But I still think the themes in PF are appropriate for
> young adults, and especially young men. This seems to be a concern of
> Wolfe's. Our society seems no longer interested in "manliness",
> but Wolfe is.
>>>>
>>>    I think I would have worded that differently, but that in the end
> we'd be talking about the same thing.  I agree.  I hadn't thought the
> novel was intended for a younger audience, but it could have been.  I think
> the
> spectre of "Treasure Island" helps that impression.
>> I should ask my sister the youth librarian what she thinks. She's
> pretty much of the, "hey, if it gets them to read, it's okay"
> school when it comes to sex and swashbuckling in novels. But would it draw
> in
> and reward a Young Adult audience, that slippery category?
>>>
>>>> That is my reading as well, though I think that we're also
> expected to see that some of Chris's choices are pretty bad choices. The
> business at the end about the vow of celibacy is a particularly
> discomforting
> one.
>>>    I realize now that I was somewhat stating the obvious.
>>>    I didn't get the part about Chris making bad choices.  His plan
> to break the vow of celibacy, for instance- didn't disturb me.  At that
> point Chris was long past having decided that his own relationship with God
> was
> unique.  Perhaps the danger of that is part of what the book tries to
> explore.
> But also, the woman in question was his wife.  Why he made such a vow in the
> first place, I don't know; but the idea of breaking it bothered him enough
> to mention it in his "confession".
>>>
>> You make some very good points! Hey, do you think he took his vow
> partially because he thought, "there can be no other woman for me but
> Novia"? IIRC, he doesn't figure out that he can possibly go back until
> after doing so; I'm not 100% on this chronology, though.
>>
>> It's still creepy. Hey, you know that old monk guy who's living
> with you? Well, he's really the same person as your dashing teenage pirate
> husband! On the up side, you have someone to help take care of the baby
> (possibly with a lot of loot). On the down side, you've traded in your
> handsome young man for someone much older (something you ran away from, if I
> recall). Plus, there's this priest who keeps checking out your ass.
>>
>> At what point does Chris wearing the cassock become seriously deceitful?
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