Urth Digest, Vol 57, Issue 13

David Stockhoff · 18 May 2009, 21:34 · from 2009-May.txt.gz

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From: dstockhoff at verizon.net (David Stockhoff)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 17:34:48 -0400
Subject: (urth) Urth Digest, Vol 57, Issue 13
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And some people in the US would like to call the US a Christian state. 

What a state calls itself, especially a revolutionary state, is often a lie---but at least kingdoms don't put on fig leaves. So-called socialist states are based on force and a fundamentalist reading of Marx. 

Thus, the USSR, which was never socialist in the slightest, did not have "Communist" anywhere in its name. If you want an example of socialism, look at Sweden. I doubt your example comes from there.

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David Stockhoff wrote:

> > All of which is perfectly correct but has little to do with actual 
> > socialism and more to do with paranoid Randian fantasies of it. In 
> > short, a straw man.
>   

I have witnessed more than one self-identified socialist state that 
their goal was the transfer of ownership of productive enterprises to 
their employees by constitutional amendment. So if it's an effigy, it's 
not one I built.

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