The Devil in a Forest
James Wynn · 19 May 2009, 03:41
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From: crushtv at gmail.com (James Wynn) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 22:41:30 -0500 Subject: (urth) The Devil in a Forest In-Reply-To: <20090518231746.SZHY5257.eastrmmtao101.cox.net at eastrmimpo03.cox.net> References: <mailman.1.1242680926.23508.urth-urth.net at lists.urth.net><4A11D356.1080203 at verizon.net><5899990178F74F96B5591E3C25EA8D3B@eMachinePC> <20090518231746.SZHY5257.eastrmmtao101.cox.net at eastrmimpo03.cox.net> Message-ID: <322A6386203C478F871C5C0BEAD76770@eMachinePC> >"Propaganda" may be just the right term for Wolfe. >Originally it was a term used by the Vatican for the >propagation of the faith. It's come to have a cheaper meaning. I use the term "propaganda" to mean "the attempt to persuade at the non-rational level". It has a bad rap because it is typically so inartfully done. The idea is to have the audience only stew in the well-seasoned juices of the argument so they rationally convince themselves at a later time. You have to _demonstrate_ while exhibiting the self-control never _to tell_. "The Devil in a Forest" does that. If the work is essentially framed in a "message", rather than metaphor, the audience is forced to approach the propaganda on a rational level and it loses its much of its power. For example, Woody Guthrie's "This Land is Your Land" is fantastic Communist propaganda (if you know all the verses). Pete Seeger's stuff is hack-work--if he had a hammer, he'd hit you over the head with it. >...tDiaF ends with a miracle -- the only "fantasy" element in the book... I even wonder whether it *is* the only fantasy element. There are subtle hints that the stories of Mother Cloot being able to fly might not be mere superstition at all. And at least twice it is noted that she *is* unexpectedly light. It is a tip to the hat that Evil is also not merely a fantasy element. Still, certainly the only _overtly_ non-rational event is the abbe's healing. J.
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