The Devil in a Forest

brunians at brunians.org · 19 May 2009, 18:22 · from 2009-May.txt.gz

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From: brunians at brunians.org (brunians at brunians.org)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 14:22:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: (urth) The Devil in a Forest
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Socialism is criminal.

Socialism is the idea that theft is OK if it's done by the government.

The difference between war and socialism is that war is sometimes necessary.




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> It's not a question of not seeing it---it's a question of seeing something
> else that is much more interesting. Wat's crimes are only one form of the
> corrupting nature of groups and thus the corruptable nature of humans.
> They are primarily criminal and only superficially socialistic, and thus
> can't really be held up as representative of socialism. They are
> representative of something, but, rather, they are an example of how men
> can be corrupted by the offering of group anonymity and free lunches.
>
> Is war any different? Wolfe asks this question all the time. War is also
> an impersonal transaction between groups in which no individual need feel
> personally responsible.
>
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> Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 09:52:27 -0500
> From: "James Wynn" <crushtv at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: (urth) The Devil in a Forest
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>> > I think there is more to it than just how sneaky his propaganda is.
>> Sure,
>> > Wolfe is propagandizing, as always---but he doesn't just
>> >propagandize for a narrow segment of the political spectrum,
>> >and he rarely makes things as black and white and baldly
>> >allegorical as you seem to suggest.
>>
>
> Well, I'm really only referring to this one work as libertarian/liberal
> propaganda. When I said "Wat/Robin Hood is an interesting exemplar of the
> corrupting nature of socialism", I wasn't trying to stake a flag in the
> name
> of John Stuart Mill. I thought it was mildly obvious. If you don't see it
> even when pointed out, then that's kudos to Wolfe. Silk's explanation of
> why
> he doesn't collect everyone's weapons is also propaganda, but not so
> artfully done. Way too obvious.
>
> On the other hand, James Jordan is correct when he says that Wolfe is a
> master propagandizer of Christian principles. Still, one could reasonably
> say the same of him regarding Gnosticism. Is the Sun Cycle to Gnosticism
> what The Chronicles of Narnia are orthodox Christianity?
>
> J.
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