Urth Digest, Vol 57, Issue 30

David Stockhoff · 19 May 2009, 22:10 · from 2009-May.txt.gz

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From: dstockhoff at verizon.net (David Stockhoff)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 18:10:38 -0400
Subject: (urth) Urth Digest, Vol 57, Issue 30
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Thank you for this.

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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 16:51:17 -0500
From: Lane Haygood <lhaygood at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: (urth) Gene Wolfe Fans Talk Politics (Again)
To: The Urth Mailing List <urth at lists.urth.net>
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... 
The substitution of civil government/society with a profit driven  
market removes this universally-agreed as beneficial goal of  
cooperation and replaced it with a unilateral goal of profit. As  
wealth cannot be created ex nihilo, profit must arise from a producer  
taking more than a product is worth. This is only possible on a market  
where supply and demand are manipulated against the interest of the  
consumer.

Thus, the market is merely the latest iteration of the master-slave  
relation. It is the battlefield of class conflict. How does calling  
taxes imposed by a lawful sovereign equal theft, but the creation of  
profit not equal extortion by a self-selected, undemocratic oligarchy?

Individuals and individual liberty are only meaningful insofar as a  
civil legal system ensures they are protected. Authoritarian abuses by  
right and left ignore this. Free markets actively surpress it by  
economic manipulation.
...

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