The Devil in a Forest

brunians at brunians.org · 20 May 2009, 00:11 · from 2009-May.txt.gz

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From: brunians at brunians.org (brunians at brunians.org)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 20:11:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: (urth) The Devil in a Forest
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You're entitled to your opinion. I personally think of it as an art and
the great propagandists as artists.



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> --- On Tue, 5/19/09, brunians at brunians.org <brunians at brunians.org> wrote:
>> Good in this context means 'well (or competently) done'.
>
> Sure.  To restate what I said more concisely, propaganda
> is one of those things that I don't prefer to be done
> competently.
>
> Jerry Friedman
>
>> > --- On Mon, 5/18/09, brunians at brunians.org
>> <brunians at brunians.org>
>> wrote:
>> >> > I'm grateful for this discussion, because
>> when I read
>> >> tDiaF I thought it
>> >> > was just a quaint, but obvious, morality
>> tale. Now, I
>> >> realize that it isn't
>> >> > so "on the nose" at all. It's actually a
>> quite
>> >> exquisite bit of propaganda
>> >> > (unlike say "Atlas Shrugged"). Truly
>> masterful
>> >> propaganda is one where the
>> >> > audience doesn't realize it's being
>> propagandized.
>> >>
>> >> Really good propaganda will have people denying
>> that it is
>> >> propaganda.
>> >
>> > It depends on what you mean by "good".? I suppose
>> you could
>> > say that a really "good" thief or murderer doesn't
>> get
>> > caught, but I think the quotation marks are
>> appropriate.
>> >
>> > Some propaganda helps bring about many deaths.?
>> The
>> > kind that people are describing in /The Devil in a
>> Forest/
>> > (which I haven't read) is presumably far less harmful,
>> but
>> > I still prefer political arguments with the cards on
>> the
>> > table.
>> >
>> >> I find it very interesting that many of the people
>> who
>> >> disagree with
>> >> Wolfe's politics argue that it is not there.
>> >
>> > While a number of others know it's there but disagree
>> > with it.
>> >
>> >> Socialism is, when it comes
>> >> down to it, a process of pretending that the World
>> is
>> >> different from the way it actually is.
>> >
>> > There are lots of -isms and -ities in that category.
>> >
>> > Jerry Friedman
>> >
>> >
>> >
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