torturing BTQ
Jeff Wilson · 24 Jul 2009, 03:15
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From: jwilson at io.com (Jeff Wilson) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 22:15:34 -0500 Subject: (urth) torturing BTQ In-Reply-To: <7D352B4E9FD54C8182ADC5771512E82E@eMachinePC> References: <c04.6495caeb.3796536e at aol.com><2C6039EAF3814649A6DB724C936B9E18@eMachinePC> <4A67B477.6020406 at io.com><05345EED82A744A8A4386A16532A453D@eMachinePC> <4A688679.7090808 at io.com> <7D352B4E9FD54C8182ADC5771512E82E@eMachinePC> Message-ID: <4A692756.5030603 at io.com> James Wynn wrote: > Okay. Attempting to put it another way, you are saying that the > question Severian is begging is "Is it possible for one to know for > certain if one has forgotten or misremembered something?", not "How does > Severian know he remembers everything?" Oy! There's no begging of either question that I can see. Severian feels his memory is perfect because he can find no gaps in it *and* apparently neither can Palaemon. Until his attention is drawn to an inconsistency, any forgetting was both holistic, as if the object of the memory never existed at all, and trivial, regarding matters that no one else cared about or remembered and did not involve objective, physical consequences like being unable to open a door because of forgetting where the keys were left. And there may be things excusable as being different in the not-English idiom the Urthlings use, similar to the way our "I forgot my keys" can really mean forgetting, or it can mean "I was distracted from my responsibilities and no attempt at recall was made". -- Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com < http://www.io.com/~jwilson >
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