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From: brunians at brunians.org (brunians at brunians.org)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:33:24 -0500 (EST)
Subject: (urth) OT: heresy
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That's interesting.

Epictetus, who is in koine, uses it in the earlier sense.

It is also the sense in which I use it.


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> doxologia, paean or prayer, comes from doxa, glory, splendor,
> brightness, fame, prestige. That's the meaning in koine. In earlier
> attic Greek, doxa meant opinion.
>
> Go here for a bit of info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doxa
>
> It's not one or the other. It's context. In the Church, doxology
> means "word of praise," and orthodoxy means "correct praise" or
> "correct opinion." The Russian church is called "pravo-slavnie,"
> "true praise," or in English "ortho-dox."
>
> JBJordan
>
> At 02:02 PM 12/18/2009, you wrote:
>>Opinion and belief are the same word in Greek. That word is 'doxos'.
>>
>>It is sometimes translated as opinion and it is sometimes translated as
>>belief.
>>
>>This uniform employment of radical meanings for terms is a personal
>>practice which I encourage others to adopt.
>>
>>Some others have.
>>
>>I freely admit that most others use terms in other, less perfect ways.
>>
>>
>>
>>.
>>
>>
>>.
>>
>>
>> > Um, no. In English, usually "right opinion." In Eastern Orthodoxy,
>> > "right praise." It can be either. "Right Praise" is original, since
>> > the arguments were over the date of Pascha and other liturgical
>> matters.
>> >
>> > JBJordan
>> >
>> > At 01:10 PM 12/18/2009, you wrote:
>> >>Um, no it isn't. "Ortho" = "right" and "doxa" = "belief."
>> >> Right-believing.
>> >>
>> >>On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Matthew Weber
>> <palaeologos at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 10:53 AM, <brunians at brunians.org> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Remember, I always use the radical meaning of a given term.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > The radical meaning of "orthodoxy" is "right-worshipping."
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Matt +
>> >> >
>> >> > The Ides of March have come.
>> >> > Julius Caesar (100-44 B.C.), From PLUTARCH, Lives, Caesar, sec. 63
>> >> >
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