Silk for calde blog: Wolfe thesis
Dan'l Danehy-Oakes · 21 Dec 2009, 02:16
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From: danldo at gmail.com (Dan'l Danehy-Oakes) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 18:16:34 -0800 Subject: (urth) Silk for calde blog: Wolfe thesis In-Reply-To: <D44EE070AB7C406198A4BAD515ADD3D5@eMachinePC> References: <769545.6506.qm at web180207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <f3417623efce6425e249ac17c874a333.squirrel at webmail.prismnet.com> <15361.67.142.130.29.1261177950.squirrel at brunians.org> <6b7f371340ef22d8573c08b41c4ce61f.squirrel at webmail.prismnet.com> <1f7617370912181743u425265fav4a656a3a292304e2 at mail.gmail.com> <F988D5D679604BD395A6C18B77BE1218@eMachinePC> <1f7617370912191001i6adf6c4apdc4bc39c9a0a6a3e at mail.gmail.com> <DF85DD48D6E24995AD32A002C51FD0CD@eMachinePC> <93d4039f0912200542g41c905dcv2a23c5f89a81b70 at mail.gmail.com> <D44EE070AB7C406198A4BAD515ADD3D5@eMachinePC> Message-ID: <1f7617370912201816w3b0a7c57j9a9d476afb3d404f at mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 5:15 PM, James Wynn <crushtv at gmail.com> wrote: > Luther was a man of many faults, looking back at him 400 years later. Dan'l > accused me of being binary, but Luther tended to see all things binarily. In > his view, the rebels in the Peasant's War were violating the Bible's command > to be subject to one's rulers and so he bestowed a blessing on those who cut > them down (Irony? Maybe. But see the end of this paragraph). When Zwingli > died in battle defending Zurich, Luther's attitude was "Serves him right" > for carrying a sword as a priest. But to call him an oath-breaker, I think, > is out-luthering Luther. It seems to me, he had come to believe that those > who demanded the oath celibacy from him were frauds (the church leaders in > Rome who --often as not-- never followed the oath themselves and were in > many cases cynical skeptics toward Christianity as a whole) and that that > oath was part of their fraud. Maybe he was wrong, but he saw what he saw and > drew his conclusions, and I don't think there is enough counter-evidence to > condemn him as an oath-breaker. Obviously, I disagree. If others broke their oaths, that does not excuse him breaking his. If the Pope and all the Bishops jumped off the Wurtemberg tower, would that mean Luther should? As it were. Luther was setting himself up as _better_than_ the Church hierarchy. To begin that project by breaking his oaths casts the whole project in doubt. -- Dan'l Danehy-Oakes
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