Urth Net

← back to the conversation

Ted = Goldwurm?

Craig Brewer · 30 Apr 2010, 22:11 · from 2010-April.txt.gz

This is the message as the crawl holds it, before anything here touched it. What the conversation shows has been through ingest: transfer encodings decoded, attachments dropped, quote markers repaired, and the archiver’s ? resolved into quotation marks and dashes. Those repairs are judgements and some of them are wrong, which is what this page is for. Email addresses are obscured here as they are everywhere else on the site, so it is before our repairs rather than byte for byte.

From: cnbrewer at yahoo.com (Craig Brewer)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 15:11:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: (urth) Ted = Goldwurm?
In-Reply-To: <005301cae88f$359c8d20$a2d04a0c@rclackey>
References: <s2mb12d82081004291556xb8be4071v43aa7e58fb5e8eb9 at mail.gmail.com><004901cae831$eb007e00$c3d24a0c@rclackey>
	<h2wb12d82081004300019p577f47d8h18ff79fa4848f3a2 at mail.gmail.com>
	<005301cae88f$359c8d20$a2d04a0c@rclackey>
Message-ID: <627588.65036.qm at web37602.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

That's an odd point, but interesting. My gut reaction is just error when Wolfe was putting together the list, but that's not as interesting as speculation. heh.

Calling her "a friendly Japanese girl" seems to me like something "outside the fiction," perhaps, and making her out to be a facefox a kind of fabrication. And on that note, I found it odd that the Asian waitress mentioned that Winker was Chinese, even though she was supposed to be Japanese. (219) So is she just generally fluent in all Asian languages? Foxes sure have a lot of cultural leeway, apparently.


And I found the "dream" explanation odd as well. Since Orizia was still far away, perhaps it was a dream state (or something else psychic) for her even though Bax could physically move to faerie because of the house? But I'm not sure if that actually explains anything substantially, especially not about Winker's name. Perhaps because she's his familiar, anything she does is actually his doing?


----- Original Message ----
From: Roy C. Lackey <rclackey at stic.net>
To: The Urth Mailing List <urth at lists.urth.net>
Sent: Fri, April 30, 2010 1:01:43 PM
Subject: Re: (urth) Ted = Goldwurm?

Andrew wrote:
> Absolutely - I was going to say something along the same lines but work
> intervened. I was thinking that perhaps the  "other things" might just
have
> been "women". Bax does of course get 3 women: Doris, Winkle and Millie
> (assuming Winkle counts).

That reminds me. It has to do with the issue of who compiled the list of
characters, which lists Winker as: "Baxter Dunn's name for a friendly
Japanese girl." That's not right. Winkle is the name Bax came up with for
the talking vixen. He later mentioned several times that he didn't even know
the name of the young woman who came to his bed. He first learned her name
when she introduced herself to Orizia: "This lowly person is called Winker
Inari." (147) Orizia was miles away in a "trance", her psychic visit.

Is this significant, or just a mistake by Wolfe? Or is it an obscure clue?
Or does it say something about the fictional Compiler?

Keep in mind that Bax heard that name while in what Orizia insisted was a
dream state, despite Bax's claim that he had actually climbed out a window
and gotten lost in the woods. It was while still in the woods that he got
the "faint" phone call from Hardaway about the meeting that night with the
lawyer, Trelawny. The phone call came while he was still engaged with
Orizia. So I suppose that it could be argued that the name Winker Inari came
out of Bax's head and that he did come up with that name.

-Roy

_______________________________________________
Urth Mailing List
To post, write urth at urth.net
Subscription/information: http://www.urth.net



      

An unofficial mirror of a public mailing list · about & removal requests · download the archive · before the list · original archive at urth.net