Uberproper Use of Subject Lines

brunians at brunians.org · 24 May 2010, 16:37 · from 2010-May.txt.gz

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From: brunians at brunians.org (brunians at brunians.org)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 12:37:38 -0400
Subject: (urth) Uberproper Use of Subject Lines
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Lane, this doesn't make any sense to me.

I'm sorry.

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> Something is enforced if there is a penalty for failure to comply.
> You are still free (in terms of will and capacity) to not comply; you
> must merely suffer the consequences.
>
> Let me put it another way:  you are free to disobey the law, id est,
> to commit a crime.  You must, however, "do the time" if you have "done
> the crime," as the cliche goes.
>
> You may voluntarily comport yourself with dignity and class.  You may
> of course also fail to do so and be a boor.  That is your prerogative,
> and none shall gainsay you your boorishness, for while it may be
> against the mores of good taste, one may not enforce good manners.
>
> One voluntarily enforces, therefore, a sense of good character in how
> one comports onesself if one self-legislates a moraltiy consistent
> with civility, pace Kant.  You must act at all times as if the maxim
> of your actions could be willed as universal law.  Therefore, though
> you may not be subject to compulsion to play nicely, it is eminently
> rational and proper for you to compel yourself to do so, should some
> base nature suggest otherwise.
>
> yvt,
> Lane
>
> On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 11:29 AM,  <brunians at brunians.org> wrote:
>> It's not, though.
>>
>> It is a contradiction in terms.
>>
>> It verges on newspeak.
>>
>> Something that is voluntary is done of one's free will.
>>
>> Something that is enforced is done will ye or nil ye.
>>
>> So what is something that is voluntarily enforced?
>>
>> You either want something to be done voluntarily, or you want it to be
>> enforced.
>>
>> You can't have it both ways.
>>
>> .
>>
>>> Perhaps it would help if I explained that "voluntary enforcement" is a
>>> fancy way of saying "civilized behavior."
>>>
>>> Probably not, though.
>>>
>>> --Dan'l
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 9:15 AM, ?<brunians at brunians.org> wrote:
>>>> L'audace! Encore l'audace!
>>>> Toujours l'audace!
>>>>
>>>> -- Danton
>>>>
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> You misunderstood what I mean by "voluntarily enforced." I do _not_
>>>>> mean universal citizen policing (which is a Bad Thing). Rather, I
>>>>> mean
>>>>> a situation in which people voluntarily act in a disciplined manner.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 8:15 AM, James Wynn <crushtv at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> But then we have to endure threads on the rules of good subject
>>>>>> lines.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> think it is better to keep the list in line by modeling good
>>>>>> behavior
>>>>>> rather
>>>>>> having self-appointed cops. Ever live in a neighborhood with
>>>>>> extensive
>>>>>> homeowner codes and have to live next to the lady who memorized
>>>>>> them?
>>>>>> Ever
>>>>>> had someone yell at you because your Yorkshire Terrier, walking at
>>>>>> your
>>>>>> feet, is not on a leash? ("It's the LAW!")
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/24/2010 10:04 AM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Discipline, voluntarily enforced, is a Good Thing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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