traveling north

John Watkins · 03 Jun 2010, 10:56 · from 2010-June.txt.gz

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From: john.watkins04 at gmail.com (John Watkins)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 06:56:05 -0400
Subject: (urth) traveling north
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Among the things I think the story is meant to show

1)  If Jesus Christ didn't exist, we'd have to invent a roughly similar
figure,

2)  If that roughly similar figure was a flawed human being, the resulting
religion would be considerable worse (Wolfe cheats here--Severian isn't a
great sage or moral teacher--the Christ-figure of his world's religion was
generally not a nice man), and

3)  Because all faiths are salvific insofar as they participate in truth,
even the mock-Christianity of the New Sun world leads to genuine moments of
grace.

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 5:53 AM, <brunians at brunians.org> wrote:

> Severian is the Conciliator.
>
> Or am I missing something?
>
> .
>
>
> >
> > I agree. The Conciliator was the "jesus" of Urth. And that already
> > happened in the past of Urth.
> >
> >> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 21:00:40 -0400
> >> From: eugene.zar at gmail.com
> >> To: urth at lists.urth.net
> >> Subject: Re: (urth) traveling north
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Lee Berman <severiansola at hotmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > FWIW, my opinion is that Urth is presented as less spiritually
> >> > advanced than Earth, notably lacking two important earthly
> >> > spiritual events, The Flood and the Coming of Jesus. Thus,
> >> > Severian has his roles to play. The Urth we are reading about
> >> > is much older than our current Earth but being stunted in its
> >> > spiritual growth is still troubled by some of the ills which
> >> > plagued our pagan ancestors.
> >>
> >> Wasn't the Conciliator the Jesus-like figure? Severian seemed to me to
> >> be very much non-divine. Quite the opposite, he very specifically
> >> comes from a very dark place, and rises to his status as savior.
> >> Severian's respect for the Increate and the sun itself is apparent
> >> early in the book, so I suspect Severian's story was meant to, in
> >> part, show where the spiritual path you claim is lacking leads:
> >> salvation.
> >>
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