traveling north

Pedro Pereira · 03 Jun 2010, 14:57 · from 2010-June.txt.gz

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From: domus_artemis at hotmail.com (Pedro Pereira)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 17:57:53 +0300
Subject: (urth) traveling north
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Severian travelled back in time and became the Conciliator. So the Jesus "equivalent" already happened in Urth's past. And maybe Jesus too further in the past, and maybe Severian and the drowning of the World is the Second Coming or something. I don't know, I don't really know much about this kind of stuff, I'm not even religious.

 

I don't really know but I don't think I can agree with this: 

 

"The Urth we are reading about
is much older than our current Earth but being stunted in its
spiritual growth is still troubled by some of the ills which
plagued our pagan ancestors."


Do the believers among you really believe that Humanity is much "enlightened" now than it was at the time of our "pagan ancestors" (not to mention that Christianism isn't even the biggest religion around)? Is that what Wolfe is going for in these books? I don't know, but Severian/Conciliator rings like "Jesus" (probably second comming) to me.
 
> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 05:53:32 -0400
> From: brunians at brunians.org
> To: urth at lists.urth.net
> Subject: Re: (urth) traveling north
> 
> Severian is the Conciliator.
> 
> Or am I missing something?
> 
> .
> 
> 
> >
> > I agree. The Conciliator was the "jesus" of Urth. And that already
> > happened in the past of Urth.
> >
> >> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 21:00:40 -0400
> >> From: eugene.zar at gmail.com
> >> To: urth at lists.urth.net
> >> Subject: Re: (urth) traveling north
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Lee Berman <severiansola at hotmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > FWIW, my opinion is that Urth is presented as less spiritually
> >> > advanced than Earth, notably lacking two important earthly
> >> > spiritual events, The Flood and the Coming of Jesus. Thus,
> >> > Severian has his roles to play. The Urth we are reading about
> >> > is much older than our current Earth but being stunted in its
> >> > spiritual growth is still troubled by some of the ills which
> >> > plagued our pagan ancestors.
> >>
> >> Wasn't the Conciliator the Jesus-like figure? Severian seemed to me to
> >> be very much non-divine. Quite the opposite, he very specifically
> >> comes from a very dark place, and rises to his status as savior.
> >> Severian's respect for the Increate and the sun itself is apparent
> >> early in the book, so I suspect Severian's story was meant to, in
> >> part, show where the spiritual path you claim is lacking leads:
> >> salvation.
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