Urth & Earth (was "Travelling North aka miscellaneous thoughts on Wolfe")

John Watkins · 04 Jun 2010, 19:10 · from 2010-June.txt.gz

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From: john.watkins04 at gmail.com (John Watkins)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 15:10:05 -0400
Subject: (urth) Urth & Earth (was "Travelling North aka miscellaneous
	thoughts on Wolfe")
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How Catholic is the Chapter, really?

Naturally there are elements in the liturgy and priestly celibacy.  But the
Catholic liturgy did not spring forth fully formed either, and priestly
celibacy is not a uniquely Christian practice either (many Buddhist groups,
um...Vestal Virgins...have to be others as well).
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 3:04 PM, James Wynn <crushtv at gmail.com> wrote:

> On the other hand, it is possible for a "Catholic Church" to have been
> established in the Commonwealth without a Jesus (complete with crosses)
> merely in correspondence to the vibrations of our Universe, just as in
> Green's dimension (There Are Doors) grooms wear black at weddings only
> because they do it in Lara's dimension.
>
> In that case, the Chapter is a parody of an echo. But somehow I find that
> less satisfying.
>
> J.
>
>
> True for just about any character in a Wolfe story.
>>
>>> I'm not sure how trustworthy a source Lemur is...
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 10:36 AM, James Wynn<crushtv at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Doesn't Wolfe undermine the idea that Urth's universe has no Jesus in
>>>> "The
>>>> Book of the Long Sun"? Lemur told Silk that Scylla founded the Chapter
>>>> as a
>>>> "parody of the state religion of her own whorl". I suppose it is
>>>> possible to
>>>> claim that that "state religion" was not Catholicism, but I don't know
>>>> why
>>>> anyone would bother.
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