Urth & Earth (was "Travelling North aka miscellaneous thoughts on Wolfe")

James Wynn · 04 Jun 2010, 19:21 · from 2010-June.txt.gz

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From: crushtv at gmail.com (James Wynn)
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 14:21:29 -0500
Subject: (urth) Urth & Earth (was "Travelling North aka miscellaneous
 thoughts on Wolfe")
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You could just as well ask "How Catholic is the Catholic Church?" 
Obviously there are parallels with other religions in this or that 
aspect. It's the whole package that is at issue. I can't imagine that 
any reader has said, "Oh! You think the Chapter seems like a twisted 
version of Catholic Church? I hadn't thought of that."

> How Catholic is the Chapter, really?
> Naturally there are elements in the liturgy and priestly celibacy.  
> But the Catholic liturgy did not spring forth fully formed either, and 
> priestly celibacy is not a uniquely Christian practice either (many 
> Buddhist groups, um...Vestal Virgins...have to be others as well).
> On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 3:04 PM, James Wynn <crushtv at gmail.com 
> <mailto:crushtv at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     On the other hand, it is possible for a "Catholic Church" to have
>     been established in the Commonwealth without a Jesus (complete
>     with crosses) merely in correspondence to the vibrations of our
>     Universe, just as in Green's dimension (There Are Doors) grooms
>     wear black at weddings only because they do it in Lara's dimension.
>
>     In that case, the Chapter is a parody of an echo. But somehow I
>     find that less satisfying.
>
>
>             On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 10:36 AM, James
>             Wynn<crushtv at gmail.com <mailto:crushtv at gmail.com>>  wrote:
>
>                 Doesn't Wolfe undermine the idea that Urth's universe
>                 has no Jesus in "The
>                 Book of the Long Sun"? Lemur told Silk that Scylla
>                 founded the Chapter as a
>                 "parody of the state religion of her own whorl". I
>                 suppose it is possible to
>                 claim that that "state religion" was not Catholicism,
>                 but I don't know why
>                 anyone would bother.
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