Urth & Earth (was "Travelling North aka miscellaneous thoughts on Wolfe")

brunians at brunians.org · 04 Jun 2010, 19:48 · from 2010-June.txt.gz

This is the message as the crawl holds it, before anything here touched it. What the conversation shows has been through ingest: transfer encodings decoded, attachments dropped, quote markers repaired, and the archiver’s ? resolved into quotation marks and dashes. Those repairs are judgements and some of them are wrong, which is what this page is for. Email addresses are obscured here as they are everywhere else on the site, so it is before our repairs rather than byte for byte.

From: brunians at brunians.org (brunians at brunians.org)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 15:48:25 -0400
Subject: (urth) Urth & Earth (was "Travelling North aka miscellaneous
 thoughts on Wolfe")
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimLaubtc7OJfUAF50wjDAgh85_US9MJXeAcD7iZ at mail.gmail.com>
References: <SNT123-W47BC00C2E9783E7A5CF620CFD20 at phx.gbl>
	<4C093993.2020102 at gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimBf603YJ0rGPBFK9Z6929lBx2F2LMPhMwHIMH7 at mail.gmail.com>
	<4C0939FD.6060205 at gmail.com> <4C094E55.4080503 at gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinmB1YGf_PoNY5kWlwisbEfVTbiiQ2HWuIvGdCh at mail.gmail.com>
	<4C095239.1040603 at gmail.com>
	<AANLkTiloFTTK3WSAYL4QchEBOAOuwMwhUoLLJwfNc7BT at mail.gmail.com>
	<4C095404.8050907 at gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimLaubtc7OJfUAF50wjDAgh85_US9MJXeAcD7iZ at mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <542aae385e78346e3c25529e6db2c5ec.squirrel at brunians.org>

A demiourgos is an intermediate worker.

.


> Because Wolfe is also playing with the notions of an anti-Christ or
> demiurge.  Falsity and pretence to authority are pretty key parts of those
> notions.  (And frankly Pas is a lot more demiurge than anti-Christ.)
>
> On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 3:29 PM, James Wynn <crushtv at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, the concept of  needing to confess to a priest as a path to
>> absolution is pretty Catholic, I'd think.
>> If Wolfe only wanted to play with familiar motifs, why include the plot
>> element that the Chapter was founded as a parody of another specific
>> religion?
>>
>>
>>  Well, no, obviously not...I guess what I'm asking is, do that parallels
>> between the Chapter and the Catholic Church rise to the level that
>> within
>> the fictive universe there must be a cause-and-effect relationship
>> between
>> them, or can they be interpretted as merely have a metafictive causal
>> relationship, i.e., the author is a Catholic with something to say and
>> playing around with ideas that are familiar to him?
>>
>>
>>
>>  You could just as well ask "How Catholic is the Catholic Church?"
>>> Obviously there are parallels with other religions in this or that
>>> aspect.
>>> It's the whole package that is at issue. I can't imagine that any
>>> reader has
>>> said, "Oh! You think the Chapter seems like a twisted version of
>>> Catholic
>>> Church? I hadn't thought of that."
>>>
>>>  How Catholic is the Chapter, really?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Urth Mailing List
>> To post, write urth at urth.net
>> Subscription/information: http://www.urth.net
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Urth Mailing List
> To post, write urth at urth.net
> Subscription/information: http://www.urth.net

An unofficial mirror of a public mailing list · about & removal requests · download the archive · before the list · original archive at urth.net