Religious writers and audiences

brunians at brunians.org · 07 Jun 2010, 13:02 · from 2010-June.txt.gz

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From: brunians at brunians.org (brunians at brunians.org)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 09:02:23 -0400
Subject: (urth) Religious writers and audiences
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If randomness leads to order, then randomness is what you call what most
people call God.

There are always only two and only two choices: the one you choose and all
the other ones.

If you look at the World analytically, it is complicated.

If you look at the World synthetically, it is reasonably straightforward.

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> There are a number of weak assumptions there. First, that randomness does
> not itself lead to order; second, that there are always only two choices;
> third, that nature and "naturalness" are simple, when they are
> demonstrably not.
>
> Fourth, that atheism is not in fact found everywhere in nature. The
> thrushes in the woods behind my house did not take a day of rest yesterday
> (unless of course their calls are to be considered prayers and not
> communications regarding territory and mating; but no one has proposed or
> proven that).
>
> Finally, no one has mentioned delusions; perhaps they appear as part of
> your worldview, but not mine.
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> I think that the basic difference between atheists and most other people
> is that atheists think that things happen all random like.
>
> The default point of view seems to be that the World is planned and
> directed in some way.
>
> It's not always God who plans and directs it.
>
> It's not always planned and directed in some kind of benign way.
>
> It's not always planned and directed by the same agents.
>
> There's two possible points of view: that the World is random, like, and
> things happen for no particular reason, or that things are in some way
> planned and directed.
>
> I would like an atheist to explain to me why atheism is not found in
> nature.
>
> Where is the ancient or traditional society that did not believe in
> something, whether the ghosts of their grandparents, or the spirits of the
> trees, or the fairies, or the planets or the mountains or the ocean or
> angels or gods or God or the Devil or something else.
>
> Is everyone except you and your buddies deluded?
>
> Everybody else?
>
> Only you know the truth?
>
> This sounds really a lot like a religion, and not a gentle one.
>
> .
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