Corundum of the Claw

brunians at brunians.org · 24 Jun 2010, 19:48 · from 2010-June.txt.gz

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From: brunians at brunians.org (brunians at brunians.org)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 15:48:14 -0400
Subject: (urth) Corundum of the Claw
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Severian is a member of the mystical Body of Christ.

>From the horse's mouth.

.


> That's is an awfully thin reed for "Severian is supposed to literally
> be Jesus" rather than "Severian is supposed to parrallel Jesus in
> important ways".  Perhaps the distinction is irrelevant for a
> non-believer, but the author is not a non-believer.
>
> On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Jordon Flato <jordonflato at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> And Wolfe is on record as saying that the only thing we're ever told
>> that
>> Jesus the Carpenter's son made was a Whip.
>>
>> Witz and I have always been in agreeance on this, and because of that,
>> I'm
>> more likely to find textual support for the idea than for the idea of
>> him as
>> some sort of anti-christ.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org
>> <Sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Jun 24, 2010, at 5:05 AM, David Stockhoff <dstockhoff at verizon.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > There's a bit in John that says (I paraphrase): Jesus does not come
>>> to
>>> > put the world on trial or to condemn it, but to rescue it.
>>> >
>>> > Severian comes to carry out a death sentence.
>>>
>>>
>>> I definitely feel that "the Sev is not divine" arguments are fine and
>>> appropriate, and I don't care to try to convince anyone, but I think
>>> it's a
>>> shame that people get hung up on this idea that Severian did a bad
>>> thing,
>>> that he "carried out a death sentance".
>>> This view is not, er, holistic to the themes. The most boiled down
>>> theme
>>> in this book, holographically repeated, is Death and Resurrection. We
>>> must
>>> not forget that.
>>>
>>> Severian brought renewed life to the planet. the death of Urth was the
>>> birth of Ushas, and the resurection of the dying planet. ?To miss this
>>> is to
>>> fundamentally misunderstand the books, I think. ?To view this as a
>>> death
>>> sentence, one is basically taking the short sighted selfish side that
>>> Severian's foes had. They would deny the future for a few more years
>>> for
>>> themselves.
>>> Fuck that. ?This is a cycle that we see in nature. The forest has to
>>> burn
>>> for it's own good, periodically.
>>>
>>> I'm sorry, just about any reading goes, but to just see Severian's act
>>> as
>>> a just tradgedy seems to completely miss the point.
>>>
>>> It had to be a torturer to deliver the death stroke that brought new
>>> life.
>>> No one else would obey. Everyone else prefers to save themselves and
>>> cling
>>> to their attachments like children. ?Severian did a difficult,
>>> necessary,
>>> and beautiful thing.
>>>
>>> ~witz
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