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Appearances of Inire
António Pedro Marques · 01 Jul 2010, 18:05
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From: entonio at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?QW50w7NuaW8gUGVkcm8gTWFycXVlcw==?=) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2010 19:05:27 +0100 Subject: (urth) Appearances of Inire In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikVOQBjEyu5SKm54p2kWCqy9_h8F2ZDuCyTh8PJ at mail.gmail.com> References: <SNT123-W896FBC5C32F4238BC96E9CFCB0 at phx.gbl> <4C2B4F90.4040708 at gmail.com> <4C2B53AF.6040606 at gmail.com> <4C2B5CF2.3040202 at io.com> <4C2B71B3.5080308 at gmail.com> <91f2cc4d1aa001a130756f20182ad487.squirrel at webmail.prismnet.com> <AANLkTimqx0B689CjlqiByBD2fnbqDRLZG7vvjFYs0zQE at mail.gmail.com> <4C2C009C.4070402 at verizon.net> <1bd7b1bfeebd3535b788f654d9b3efd4.squirrel at brunians.org> <4C2C0586.7090503 at verizon.net> <487d2869bcbbd06452a6633012d86d83.squirrel at brunians.org> <4C2C06E3.4030806 at verizon.net> <1362277e8ba9279d24e4bc37d6ab862a.squirrel at brunians.org> <4C2C8387.5010304 at verizon.net> <AANLkTimVPuEiDXtuPejpVrcqVQUxust0ZazZ-9KU8-r6 at mail.gmail.com> <4C2CB0C2.3010607 at gmail.com> <AANLkTikeKBWxPqCxHMGwpRuIib7Itw_3-6rg-3JAHcrv at mail.gmail.com> <4C2CB798.3080009 at gmail.com> <51e717b6635d7c586255898bf2ba5d61.squirrel at brunians.org> <AANLkTilZ8KjBX-M-TGqgGID15p4KXRCy80w0gedUOEv0 at mail.gmail.com> <4C2CCC61.8030304 at gmail.com> <AANLkTikVOQBjEyu5SKm54p2kWCqy9_h8F2ZDuCyTh8PJ at mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4C2CD8E7.4010407 at gmail.com> John Watkins wrote (01-07-2010 18:22): > > > 2010/7/1 Ant?nio Pedro Marques <entonio at gmail.com > <mailto:entonio at gmail.com>> > > John Watkins wrote (01-07-2010 18:08): > > > > But the point I brought up is independent of whether the evil > power was created by God or bred by whoever. > > Is it? I dunno. I think the existence of, say, hurricanes, or the > bubonic plague, is potentially more troubling from a theodicy standpoint > than the possibility that the free will of hman beings might create > monstrous demigods as the Hierogrammates under Scenario 2 are. Natural disasters aren't ever considered benign. They may be considered part of some higher purpose, but that's not what we're discussing here. > Anyway I > rather doubt that the author would agree that the existence of such > beings is inconsistent with the existence of a traditionally-understood God. A universe under the dominion of an evil being that poses and is seen as doing God's will is consistent with the existence of a benign God? > Regardless, we are getting afield of the question. > > > I honestly think top-posting usually isn't helpful - maybe > it's early > > afternoon drowsiness but I can't grasp your point. > > > > John Watkins wrote (01-07-2010 16:31): > >> Tdazkiel's people are themselves artificial...awfully difficult > to blame > >> God for their control over the universe. > >> > >> 2010/7/1 Ant??nio Pedro Marques <entonio at gmail.com > <mailto:entonio at gmail.com> > <mailto:entonio at gmail.com <mailto:entonio at gmail.com>> > >> <mailto:entonio at gmail.com <mailto:entonio at gmail.com> > <mailto:entonio at gmail.com <mailto:entonio at gmail.com>>>> > > >> > >> Option 2 I think is untenable. > >> > >> - If God is good, then it makes no sense to create a > universe in > >> which: > >> + God's creatures are toys in an evil power's hands > >> + God's creatures believe that the evil power is not evil > at all > >> and is doing God's work > >> + those who oppose the evil power are not, generally > speaking, > >> better people than the others, and in fact seem to be worse. > >> > >> - If God isn't good then by what standard can we call > such an > >> unfathomable being as Tzadkiel evil? > >> > >> Keeping option 3 doesn't mean that the acts of Tzadkiel > need no > >> atoning for, it just means they're done with the best of > intentions > >> and knowledge. We have a saying here, 'Of [people with] good > >> intentions is Hell full'. > >> > >> Antonio > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Urth Mailing List > >> To post, write urth at urth.net <mailto:urth at urth.net> > <mailto:urth at urth.net <mailto:urth at urth.net>> > <mailto:urth at urth.net <mailto:urth at urth.net> > <mailto:urth at urth.net <mailto:urth at urth.net>>> > > >> Subscription/information: http://www.urth.net > <http://www.urth.net/> > <http://www.urth.net/> <http://www.urth.net/> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Urth Mailing List > >> To post, write urth at urth.net <mailto:urth at urth.net> > <mailto:urth at urth.net <mailto:urth at urth.net>> > >> Subscription/information: http://www.urth.net > <http://www.urth.net/> <http://www.urth.net/> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Urth Mailing List > > To post, write urth at urth.net <mailto:urth at urth.net> > <mailto:urth at urth.net <mailto:urth at urth.net>> > > Subscription/information: http://www.urth.net > <http://www.urth.net/> <http://www.urth.net/> > > > _______________________________________________ > Urth Mailing List > To post, write urth at urth.net <mailto:urth at urth.net> > <mailto:urth at urth.net <mailto:urth at urth.net>> > Subscription/information: http://www.urth.net > <http://www.urth.net/> <http://www.urth.net/> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Urth Mailing List > To post, write urth at urth.net <mailto:urth at urth.net> > Subscription/information: http://www.urth.net <http://www.urth.net/> > > > _______________________________________________ > Urth Mailing List > To post, write urth at urth.net <mailto:urth at urth.net> > Subscription/information: http://www.urth.net <http://www.urth.net/> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Urth Mailing List > To post, write urth at urth.net > Subscription/information: http://www.urth.net
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