The mystery of the image of an astronaut cleaned by Rudesind
Eugene Zaretskiy · 05 Jul 2010, 05:43
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From: eugene.zar at gmail.com (Eugene Zaretskiy) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 01:43:36 -0400 Subject: (urth) The mystery of the image of an astronaut cleaned by Rudesind In-Reply-To: <D9C89CCE-AA5C-40B7-9603-B3E7A8123CAD at liftingfaces.com> References: <SNT123-W186492E2214C7539E99F09CFCA0 at phx.gbl> <4C2C2011.9060307 at gmail.com> <4C2CB072.20808 at io.com> <2dc2f9da5b8a851b52b3d871d3ac10ee.squirrel at brunians.org> <AANLkTikC4Thq8kjaAkgzBli5_YF2QRuC2FvqKZk5Fl8d at mail.gmail.com> <1a4c459d00e6bfae603d8d424a281478.squirrel at brunians.org> <AANLkTikWDg_uCKgdT-_tCOkhsPUxytED0Oe7IC2RRFeT at mail.gmail.com> <64a5f0ccd7ad8135cc880d55f01d35d7.squirrel at brunians.org> <4C2CC5FB.4090304 at gmail.com> <65fa45fb235122f7a2217875a2e6addb.squirrel at brunians.org> <A9A0AEF3-B283-4660-98BA-9E3700100817 at liftingfaces.com> <4C2D4AA7.90707 at verizon.net> <b911e4d19bf4a5c6e18f6b7978a18f34.squirrel at brunians.org> <80e082d548cd62953cc58ba97ddefc59.squirrel at brunians.org> <4C2D5339.7040508 at verizon.net> <4C2D6FF2.4000805 at io.com> <4C2DEFD0.7010805 at verizon.net> <4C2DFD00.3050609 at gmail.com> <4C2E0B7B.7000605 at io.com> <01BB0BF4-8BD7-4C77-AA5E-AE5FFF6CC376 at liftingfaces.com> <4C2F74A2.5030603 at verizon.net> <36FDC05E-F757-4387-91C3-3CFDAC74B52D at liftingfaces.com> <4C30E3AA.2000906 at gmail.com> <D9C89CCE-AA5C-40B7-9603-B3E7A8123CAD at liftingfaces.com> Message-ID: <AANLkTimwQFMeQ4QDEfEILxLYshCSePLsR3AkQbbp1gMB at mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Ryan Dunn <ryan at liftingfaces.com> wrote: > The appearance of the Autarch at House Azure opens the gates to other unannounced, unnamed characters appearing. He did it with Hildegrin as well, and a handful of other characters. Why not Inire, perhaps the most talked about yet never seen character?? > > You sort of proved my point for me. I think you may have missed the point, actually. To believe Wolfe places masks everywhere and to search every sentence for signs of these masks is, I believe, a fundamental misunderstanding of why many of Wolfe's characters wear masks. The Autarch appearing in the House Azure before the reader knows its him is not done to make you feel clever when you figure it out. It's done because that fact, when you realize it, fundamentally changes your understanding of what it means to rule to Commonwealth, what it means to be an Autarch, and changes the purpose of Severian's trip there. If I'm being vague, it's because that has been discussed on this list a number of times before in clearer terms than I can provide. More importantly, the details are beside the point. The point, the one I believe you misinterpreted to believe it supports your point, is that the Autarch's mask in this case serves a very strong purpose that enriches the story. The suggestion that Inire is Rudesind seems to be ignoring this. What value to the book is there if Inire is indeed Rudesind? Saying that it proves Inire is guiding Severian seems ridiculous to me (and perhaps only me) since Rudesind's directions could have been obtained from anyone, and if Inire wanted to guide Severian in meaningful ways, there were many other, better opportunities to have done so. Why search for masks for the sake of masks? > Why go to the trouble of giving Rudesind monkey-like description? Why have Eata say Inire looks like a monkey? Why have a red, wizened monkey who could be a man were it not for the hand-feet watching over Severian from the jungle above? Why, why WHY? For the same reason any writer has for using metaphors: they provide a convenience when needing to describe someone. In this case, much is accomplished by the use of the word "monkey" without having to assume it's time to go on a meaningless mask-hunt. Personally, I think the description of Inire as a monkey helps build the image the common folk have of him: As being non-human. > No? Not sure that is as speculative as it may seem. Speculation is fine, but as you say: why? Why would Inire be Rudesind? - EZ
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