Tzadkiel/Melek Taus

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From: brunians at brunians.org (brunians at brunians.org)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 11:19:18 -0400
Subject: (urth) Tzadkiel/Melek Taus
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Why does everybody have to die in this time line?

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> On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Gerry Quinn <gerryq at indigo.ie> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I remain 'loyal to the ship' on this one.  One can certainly question
>> whether the negation of a black hole that was deliberately put into the
>> sun
>> counts as a net benefit - but can we really defend the moribund future
>> of
>> Master Ash compared to the new life of Ushas, though indeed this new
>> life must be born in cataclysm?
>>
>
>
> But on my side of the argument I have Ash's words about the majority of
> the
> population having been evacuated before the ice death, in his future.
> Whatever the benefits of Ushas, why did almost everybody have to die in
> Sev's time line? And probably more to the point: why didn't Sev at least
> try
> to make this happen - knowing as he did that it was possible?
>
>
>
>>  It would, I think, be unfair to rely too much on the author's
>> statements
>> on his intention, but it seems to me that they support the conventional
>> interpretation.  Severian is 'a Christian figure' - compare to Silk, who
>> is
>> 'a good man in a bad religion'.
>>
>
> I can't recall everything that Wolfe has said about this, but didn't he
> actually say that Sev is a member of the mystical body of Christ? (Or was
> that something that he said to somebody, in addition to the
> Sev-as-Christian
> comment?) Anyway, I can't understand Sev being a Christian, which
> presumably
> requires one to believe in Christ?
>
> As to being part of the mystical body of Christ, I am totally unqualified
> to
> judge what that actually means. But perhaps this sentence from the Mystici
> Corporis Christi is relevant: "For the Church, the Bride of Christ, is
> one;
> and yet so vast is the love of the divine Spouse that it embraces in His
> Bride the whole human race without exception." (
> http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xii/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xii_enc_29061943_mystici-corporis-christi_en.html
> Ch96)
>
>
>
>>  But here is an obvious question which should have an answer within the
>> text: if your theory is correct, where in BotNS/UotNS is the counterpart
>> of
>> The Outsider?  And what Urthly presences/powers stand against the New
>> Sun?
>> Vodalus?  Who, Mr. Thallassocrat, is standing for what you say is Good?
>>
>
>
> That is indeed the big question. My answer is that LS/SS is a redemption
> of
> the God-less world of BOTNS/UOTNS - in which neither side is "Good". I
> believe Sev's life after meeting SilkHorn will be very different than his
> career in BOTNS/UOTNS - as I've set out in posts here over the years. I
> don't think anybody else has found this position very convincing, but I'm
> sticking with it :)
>
>
>
>>
>> - Gerry Quinn
>>
>>
>>
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