Tzadkiel/Melek Taus

António Pedro Marques · 09 Jul 2010, 20:11 · from 2010-July.txt.gz

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From: entonio at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?QW50w7NuaW8gUGVkcm8gTWFycXVlcw==?=)
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2010 21:11:36 +0100
Subject: (urth) Tzadkiel/Melek Taus
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Gerry Quinn wrote (09-07-2010 19:46):
> From: "Lee Berman" <severiansola at hotmail.com>
>>> G.Q.- But here is an obvious question which should have an answer
>>> within the text:
>>> if your theory is correct, where in BotNS/UotNS is the counterpart of
>>> The Outsider?
>>> And what Urthly presences/powers stand against the New Sun? Vodalus?
>>> Who, Mr.
>>> Thallassocrat, is standing for what you say is Good?
>>
>> I think the BotNS analog to The Outsider is The Increate. I am not the
>> best religious
>> philosophy scholar but I think those who deeply consider the question
>> end up coming
>> to the conclusion that, while we humans are supposed to choose "good",
>> God is
>> infintely above such conflict. In fact God/The Outsider/Increate uses
>> both good
>> and evil; pitting them against each other to accomplish His unknowable
>> divine goals.
>
> Sure, but that is not the point I am getting at. The question I'm asking
> relates to the Urthly representatives of good. Surely there should be
> someone - apart from a few witch doctors maybe - standing up for the
> prevention of the White Fountain, if that's what the Increate wants?

I'm not sure that's what you're getting at, but I've asked some days ago, if 
Tzadkiel is evil, where are the *good* people opposing the new sun, since 
the ones that seem to oppose it don't compare favourably with the ones 
serving it. That to me is the chief problem with the Tzadkiel-is-evil idea.

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