lots of stuff

Jack Smith · 12 Jul 2010, 19:30 · from 2010-July.txt.gz

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From: jack.smith.1946 at gmail.com (Jack Smith)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 15:30:01 -0400
Subject: (urth) lots of stuff
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2010/7/12 Ant?nio Pedro Marques <entonio at gmail.com>

> James Wynn wrote (12-07-2010 18:23):
>
>  What if "Father Inire" is a malformation of the actual name he gave...a
>> name that was difficult for those whom he first encountered to pronounce
>>  or even hear properly.
>>
>
> Quite possible, I just mentioned the same for Jonas.
>
>
>  Typhon's name itself is stripped from Egyptian Sun mythology as the enemy
>> of Osirus. That sets him as a foil against Severian. But then neither
>> Osirus's nor Zeus's Typhon had two heads. So that's a kind of break with
>> precedent as well since it associates him instead with certain Kabbalist
>> figures and with two-faced Janus, the god of doorways (which sort of
>> associates him with "Inire", doesn't it, since "inire" means "to
>> enter").
>>
>
> The thing I don't like with the 'to enter' parsing is that it's an
> infinitive, though I don't think that's an obstacle. I mean, I don't like
> it
> because I'd rather not have Wolfe resort to an infinitive there, but that
> has little import on its plausibility.
>
>
>  Typhon's name in _The Book of the Long Sun_ is "Pas", claimed to be
>> associated with a term for "father": tenuous in any _real_ sense, but (I
>>  argue) intended to associate him with the god Pan.
>>
>
> And Pas was exactly the precendent (well, in fact a postcedent) I was
> thinking of but couldn't put my finger on it. It's not an attested or
> composite name, or at least nobody found it out yet, hence the tenative
> connection to Pan (which I don't like because of the phonetics, but see
> above).
>
>
Wolfe makes the connection of Pas and Pan ("all") explicit.
When Scylla possesses Chenille  she explains that the gods are Pas's family,
saying   "with Daddy to be the god of everything--that's what his name
meant--and the boss over everybody."  (LotLS, ch 11)






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-- 
Best wishes,
Jack
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