UotNS and how it screws with your head
John Watkins · 14 Jul 2010, 18:25
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From: john.watkins04 at gmail.com (John Watkins) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 14:25:59 -0400 Subject: (urth) UotNS and how it screws with your head In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikhC0kk09tuKSrZ3JSyWIaBr8wlCktA8u0Z4CPD at mail.gmail.com> References: <AANLkTinHy3Aec9OA-UHwh1uw3BFusrKErPLPID7aXss8 at mail.gmail.com> <E63D05FC598643369D658EB90F8BDE01@jill> <AANLkTikvoAFjIi4Aa5uxhbDgjXMdpKFA67WDFwOVwCxG at mail.gmail.com> <4C3C9385.9070502 at verizon.net> <AANLkTinfvtAt0h5X-tE9yW8Lh4s4jAq8VwPkHTJYgOP4 at mail.gmail.com> <4C3CA4A5.1040300 at verizon.net> <AANLkTikhC0kk09tuKSrZ3JSyWIaBr8wlCktA8u0Z4CPD at mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <AANLkTinHTTflpk4_GPuanrdVrgxdqpIx_np6ngAawCXR at mail.gmail.com> Cliff thinks something funny is happening with up and down, and makes a good case... On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Cliff Judge <transentient at gmail.com> wrote: > > Or maybe not? The talk of "higher" and "lower" universes reminds me of >> something I noticed during the re-read of BotNS, which I mentioned here a >> couple weeks ago...there is something Wolfe emplys a couple of times where >> Severian confuses down with up. When the undine saves him from the neuphars >> as an apprentice....I believe he described it as being pushed up, then >> pulled down, then waking up on the stone stairs. (The undine pulled him down >> and out from underneath the nenuphars, then pushed him up in reality.) When >> he goes into the drink in the Garden of Sleep, a hand reaches up from the >> bottom and grasps his, and pulls him DOWN - then the next thing we know, >> Dorcas has pulled him UP to the surface. Perhaps the most telling event was >> his ride in the grav-led with Typhon, up to the gallery in the head. He >> feels a terrifying plummet, and then comes out and asks Typhon "how can we >> have come up to such a height, when it felt as though we had fallen so far?" >> >> >> What this might do to a theory of higher and lower universes, such as we >> have in Wizard Knight, is place the Increate at the top - but you get to the >> top by going DOWN. In this way, the energy that flows out of the suns and >> into "lower universes" - the collected energy of ages of human existence, >> life, work, joy, perhaps - flows TO the Increate. >> > This tickled my brain and I just realized why. "Soon as he reach'd the point, whereat the thigh Upon the swelling of the haunches turns, My leader there, with pain and struggling hard, Turn'd round his head where his feet stood before, And grappled at the fell as one who mounts; That into hell methought we turn'd again. ... ...I raised mine eyes, Believing that I Lucifer should see Where he was lately left, but saw him now With legs held upward. Let the grosser sort, Who see not what the point was I had past, Bethink them if sore toil oppress'd me then." So here in Canto 34 we have Lucifer located at the Earth's core, and the expected reversal of gravity in his presence. This seems to be invoked by the incident with Typhon, who is already doing a bit of a temptation in the desert schtick,. As for the other cases in which up becomes down and vice versal, I suppose that's precisely what would happen when one passes through a horizontal looking glass to another world, isn't it? Or the reflective surface of a still body of water? > > _______________________________________________ > Urth Mailing List > To post, write urth at urth.net > Subscription/information: http://www.urth.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.urth.net/pipermail/urth-urth.net/attachments/20100714/4d261f1b/attachment-0001.htm>
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