Master Ultan's Library
Gwern Branwen · 17 Jul 2010, 05:28
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From: gwern0 at gmail.com (Gwern Branwen) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 01:28:25 -0400 Subject: (urth) Master Ultan's Library In-Reply-To: <521837.62873.qm at web50707.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <SNT123-W256DB5C8585628C8109423CFB30 at phx.gbl> <520E36C4-BC0B-4DFE-8F64-BC9EB1D9BF4C at liftingfaces.com> <4C34A1F4.6030501 at gmail.com> <F7C7A8D7-66C9-4746-9662-C742E53311FE at liftingfaces.com> <AANLkTilkfznBstbta55hgfGmNqnPuJiBaxTBg1nk4CNf at mail.gmail.com> <4C34BDF3.8030308 at gmail.com> <AANLkTil6i8yexcmK3Jkk5RjoxqDG2em7nmlsFwPMcy8x at mail.gmail.com> <AANLkTinEm5JG1jqhNfMWoVMP6mRqRduOFsODtbu73kJ_ at mail.gmail.com> <4C34C23B.2090701 at gmail.com> <AANLkTikKWU_l1JMRi-Bjnm8jETRWB_HJiJxwZavYSbXf at mail.gmail.com> <4C4043B4.5030906 at gmail.com> <4C404E17.8040803 at verizon.net> <4C4058DF.9010504 at verizon.net> <AANLkTimy9nPwl0UooSdxmlEJ655Ob4INvxodYLaUVCoT at mail.gmail.com> <4C411AFA.5060802 at verizon.net> <521837.62873.qm at web50707.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <AANLkTilIoFrAoAqaA3JQ1E3R_tRdja9xvz0QiWJv6P52 at mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 11:51 PM, Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman at yahoo.com> wrote: >> But I agree---there seems to be a Borgesian aspect to the ?Library, for sure. > > Certainly. ?I wouldn't say that Master Ultan IS Borges--that would mean Wolfe > thinks the real Jorge Luis Borges ?would be greedy to eat the flesh of the dead > to get their memories and would reveal this greed though hypocritically trying > to deny it. ?The idea that Borges would have wanted to use the alzabo may not be > ridiculous, but I think Wolfe admires him too much to show him this way. > > This doesn't weaken your argument, though, Gwern. ?We certainly agree that > Master Ultan is supposed to remind us of Borges, so the strangely extensive > library can remind us of the Library of Babel. ?But I thought the Library of > Babel contained all books, not all libraries. ?I'd say the thought that all > libraries in our universe are part of Master Ultan's library is there for us to > enjoy, and I wouldn't have thought of it myself, but I don't see it as the > explanation of Severian's comment. > > Jerry Friedman I wouldn't want to defend this identification too literally; no more than I would Baldanders=Frankenstein. But I think Borges's library is all libraries; how the pages are split over volumes isn't really important. (If Ultan's library has the text of _The Count of Monte Cristo_ in one volume, and Borges's library has it split over 2 volumes because its volumes are smaller/fixed lengths, does that really matter?) Content is king, and Borges's library has it all, eventually. -- gwern
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