Patera Inire

David Stockhoff · 17 Jul 2010, 17:59 · from 2010-July.txt.gz

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From: dstockhoff at verizon.net (David Stockhoff)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 13:59:34 -0400
Subject: (urth) Patera Inire
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That reminds me of the translation of Pankrater as "all-holding." (a 
krater being a wine cup)

Jeff Wilson wrote:
> On 7/17/2010 10:47 AM, Craig Brewer wrote:
>>> The religion faded away, but not Inire. He may have kept the title  
>>> Father,
>>> just as the Domnicellae of the Pelerines was addressed as  Mother.
>>
>> This final point really strikes home, methinks. The theory also ties 
>> up all the
>> various strands of Inire's manipulations quite well.
>>
>> So what of "Patera," then? When we get to Long Sun, are we supposed 
>> to tie the
>> "Inire Religion" to what Pas has created? "Patera" (a nice mix of the 
>> possibly
>> Spanish/SouthAmerican/Nessus-influenced "padre" and Latin "pater") is 
>> of course
>> suitably close to "Father" (the "authentic" word Inire used, or at 
>> least as the
>> translator had it). Could this suggest a 
>> connection-to-yet-corruption-of the New
>> Sun religion, rather than the LS theology being completely Pas, et al.'s
>> creation?
>
> If Patera is connected to the Inire, it may be via its Latin usage: a 
> ritual vessel for carrying libations ready to pour or drink but with a 
> dry bump in the middle for steady handling. Given how often people are 
> used as vessels for other people's personas in the Long and Short Sun 
> books...
>

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