Patera Inire
Lee Berman · 18 Jul 2010, 05:13
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From: severiansola at hotmail.com (Lee Berman) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 01:13:41 -0400 Subject: (urth) Patera Inire Message-ID: <SNT123-W10AD946D2DD363CCA6F587CFBE0 at phx.gbl> >Roy C. Lackey- We are given every reason to believe that Inire's mission >on Urth was to cause to be delivered a new sun. I do agree with this conclusion. Most important in my disagreement is the sense I have that this story was written (and meant to be read) through a Christian lens. Severian may be interpreted as a Christ- or Christian figure but I can't see Father Inire in that light. In UotNS we are told that Inire has been Severian's friend and warmly bid him farewell on his journey to the stars. So perhaps he was not antagonistic toward Severian's quest for a New Sun, no more than Apollo and Mercury were antagonistic toward Jesus. They may have set the stage for the coming of Jesus but they didn't purposefully work toward it. More specific counter-evidence from the text: 1. Inire has built a Byzantine (pagan) society in which religion has little importance and is based on elaborate ritual rather than faith. If he was highly involved in bringing the New Sun I think we'd see some association of him with the Pelerinnes but we don't. 2. We do not see Inire openly present in Urth's past, at the end of Typhon's rule, when he should have been there getting the New Sun cult started. Borski thinks Ceryx is Father Inire disguised but he hardly seems to be working toward bringing the New Sun. Quite the opposite. He competes with Severian, creates zombies and tries to kill The Conciliator. Not very Christian/New Sunish. 3. Inire's 1000 year rule behind the throne produced only two attempts to bring the New Sun before Severian, both failures. Moreover, both Inire's letter and the words of the Old Autarch make it fairly clear they are maintaining the war with the Ascians in equilibrium, propping up the enemies of the New Sun such as the Vodelarii (and perhaps the Jungle Sorcerers), ensuring they remain to keep balance/stasis between the contending forces. 4. We do not see any hint of Father Inire when Severian returns to the Flood Day the last day of Urth (first day of Ushas). Valeria has been ruling without his assistance. If Inire's sole purpose was bringing the New SUn, doesn't good story telling demand some mention of him at the fruition of his life's work? What does his absence on this important day suggest? 4. It seems implied that the Old Autarch used a version of Father Inire's mirrors to travel to Tzadkiel. Inire shares mirror-using with Hethor (along with some other traits). Using mirrors does not seem to be a good way of impressing Tzadkiel or bringing the New Sun. Severian notes that Inire's mirror chamber is marked with a "terratoid" (monsterous) symbol. 5. Cyriaca gives us this cryptic quote about the mirrors, "...cacogens had landed somewhere in the north [Baldander's Castle, we learn]... I suppose they must have wished to avoid the mirrors at the House Absolute so they could escape the eyes of the Autarch. I think this suggests B, F and O don't like the mirrors, and Inire, either. We certainly never see them working with Inire. The closest they get is watching Eschatology and Genesis and that is probably to see Severian perform. If Inire is the cowled servitor then both he and the hierodules are well wrapped and disguised in their closest encounter. 6. During the story of his travels, Severian's foreshadowing makes it clear he does not use Inire's or the Old Autarch's mirrors to complete his New Sun quest. He travels to the stars on a ship, as UotNS later confirms. 7. Severian has been chosen to bring the New Sun because he has his so-called perfect memory and/or because he was raised as a torturer and has the capacity for such a genocidal act. Either way, I don't see evidence that Father Inire is working to create or develop or recognize or recruit these talents in Severian before his ascension. (after his ascension there is an interesting exception, listed below). His interest in Severian seems only to serve, once again, as vizier, as the power behind the throne. 8. Inire's letter to Severian is all about war and political intrigues but there actually is one hint of recognition there about Severian's divine role. The letter addresses Severian, among other things as, "Helios, Hyperion, Surya and Savitar". These deity names are Greek and Vedic parallels for the male gods of the sun and of light. This is surely a recognition of Severian's New Sun role. But this recognition does not imply to me that Inire is working toward the New Sun goal, especially light of #1-7. Moreover these are pagan gods and I think Inire (as a pagan god allusion himself) just doesn't get the Judeo-Christian role Severian will play. FWIW- Inire's letter also calls Severian "Messenger of Dawn". In context, this must refer to the female god of the Dawn, the Greek Eos/Roman Aurora, daughter of Hyperion, sister to Helios. Is this Inire's acknowledgement of Severian's Thecla side? Perhaps even more interesting is that the Vedic cognate to Eos is the Sanskrit for dawn: ????; u?as or Ushas. I think the answer to the question of where Father Inire goes just before and after the New Sun arrives is the same as the answer for how a flood can destroy large creatures that live in the ocean. I think the answer is not easily found in the text as in Judeo-Christian allegory. Abaia and Erebus went to the same place that the Nephilim and lamia and other demons went after Noah's Flood. And Father Inire went to the same place Helios and Zeus and Aurora went after Christianity replaced their religion. _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4
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