Rudesind / Inire / Lunar Picture
Ryan Dunn · 27 Jul 2010, 16:13
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From: ryan at liftingfaces.com (Ryan Dunn) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 12:13:45 -0400 Subject: (urth) Rudesind / Inire / Lunar Picture In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikcFZSR1LjoYKRcQZXR-ZRYa7eXxt39mrdZs+wX at mail.gmail.com> References: <BLU142-W26A682C8D609BCBA950233C9A60 at phx.gbl> <4C4E1029.5020809 at io.com> <730AE2C19DF54346BB7492D935335293@jill> <4C4EE5B8.8060501 at io.com> <521708.29650.qm at web50704.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <343FBB48-915E-42F2-A8EA-83524E66F1E2 at liftingfaces.com> <AANLkTikfc_+LABh6Z7W+1J4RHZC6M7Wv6Gn3TRf_Lqxp at mail.gmail.com> <B954F1B0-3DA4-48BC-942C-E7A888CE3DD2 at liftingfaces.com> <AANLkTikcFZSR1LjoYKRcQZXR-ZRYa7eXxt39mrdZs+wX at mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <BA32E108-1EE8-42DA-A848-90476713A7D0 at liftingfaces.com> On Jul 27, 2010, at 11:48 AM, John Watkins wrote: > On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Ryan Dunn <ryan at liftingfaces.com> wrote: > No, the two Severians seems fairly obvious to me. In the Atrium of Time, he overlaps himself in two times, from what I gathered. Here is what Severian as Autarch asks of Rudesind... > > > > Something weird happens in that scene. Whatever it is, it could be a local effect (it's the Atrium of Time) and it doesn't convince me that there are two different Severians rather than one Severian whose personal timeline is knotty. > > "We only want to say that if a young man with an errand comes past again while you are on your ladder, you are to send him to Master Ultan. That is our order." > > It sort of means the story we've been told/sold is non-linear, and that the Severian at the end of Citadel exists before the Severian at the beginning of Shadow, no? > > > > That seems like a gigantic leap. Rudesind remembers sending a younger Severian to Master Ultan. Severian himself is asking that Rudesind do it "again." Other than the hierodules, who live backwards, who else is at an earlier point in their personal timeline during the events at the end of Citadel? Why would Severian ask Rudesind to do that? Why would that be all he asks of Rudesind before dismissing him? And after the diatribe about how Severian is: "every boy that's ever been here, and I've heard stories put on you that belong to men that was old when I was just a boy, and I've heard about things I did myself, seventy years ago." So it's just a random request to send some young man on an errand while Rudesind is on his ladder to Ultan? Honestly. Why?? ...ryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.urth.net/pipermail/urth-urth.net/attachments/20100727/61663d43/attachment-0001.htm>
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