Serpents and Undines
John Watkins · 30 Jul 2010, 16:41
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From: john.watkins04 at gmail.com (John Watkins) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 12:41:28 -0400 Subject: (urth) Serpents and Undines In-Reply-To: <4C52F8FE.8010807 at io.com> References: <SNT123-W60A3BA68B6F64EC2BF06CACFAA0 at phx.gbl> <4C52F8FE.8010807 at io.com> Message-ID: <AANLkTik10__tcK_Q6OVBf1NR3kR2yGQUtqGkLBe+Xz8k at mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Jeff Wilson <jwilson at io.com> wrote: > > I get the sense that the author is trying to convey that the various "kinds > of resurrection" are a mortal projection; there is only one source of the > gift of life and that is the grace of the Increate. Then there are people > who presume to decide that the Increate hasn't given them enough and will > try to get more some other way, rather than living and sharing so that what > they've been given *is* enough. This kind of substituion of one's judgment > for that of the Increate is the first step on the dark path that eventually > leads the likes of Typhon and Ceryx to airs of godhood, the way Vodalus > presumes to substitute himself for the Autarch. > > I really like this, and reading it the tumblers fell in my mind a little--of course it's the usurpation of the perogative of God that Wolfe means to invoke by paralleling Baldanders with Victor Frankenstein and his monster alike, and in fact the precise effect and only be achieved by a blurring of the two figures: Baldanders is like Victor Frankenstein, seeking to take over a divine role and like Victor Frankenstein, seeking to do so with forbidden science, but he is also in his rejection of God a rebellious son like the Monster. This makes Baldanders both Promethean in his giving of fire/life/science without divine license and Luciferian in his rejection of the divine. By the way, a similar dynamic of good/bad resurrections, although much simpler, is at work in the Harry Potter books, where Harry achieves various sorts of "good" immortality (protected from injury by mother's Christlike sacrifice, resurrected from dead by his own sacrifice of blood to Voldemort) while Voldemort (whose very name is so often parsed by clueless commentators as the vaguely sinister "flight of death" rather than the surely intended "fleeing death") pursues "evil" immortality, by feasting on the blood of unicorns or the use of "horcruxs." I understand that "horcrux" is Rowling's coinage, and a pun: "whore-cross," something that has the same resemblance to the salvific and immortality-granting Cross of Christ as a whore has to a bride--a quick, dirty, and likely cheap way of achieving the basest end intended. > -- > Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com > IEEE Student Chapter Blog at > < http://ieeetamut.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Urth Mailing List > To post, write urth at urth.net > Subscription/information: http://www.urth.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.urth.net/pipermail/urth-urth.net/attachments/20100730/d150a124/attachment.htm>
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