Serpents and Undines

David Stockhoff · 01 Aug 2010, 18:04 · from 2010-August.txt.gz

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From: dstockhoff at verizon.net (David Stockhoff)
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 14:04:58 -0400
Subject: (urth) Serpents and Undines
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It does make sense. The Byzantine system had no Pope, and therefore no 
division between Pope and HRE. It could also be argued that the Turkish 
sultans were truly successors to the Eastern Roman Emperor as much as 
successors to the caliphs, so the dual institution was there in effect, 
even if the ERE was not formally defined as "Christ's vicar on Earth."

So perhaps the autarch should be considered as such, whether there is 
textual evidence for it or not.

Jeff Wilson wrote:
> On 8/1/2010 7:59 AM, David Stockhoff wrote:
>> Perhaps. "If you believe the Autarchy is divinely ordained" is the key
>> phrase. I don't see him as having Pope status, though maybe some do.
>
> Some of the figurative comments about the Autarch who this is that and 
> so forth and the lack of any particularl clerical figures suggests to 
> me that they have a more Anglican or classic Roman system, with the 
> Autarch getting to break in line to the end of the cursus honorum.
>

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