Serpents and Undines

David Stockhoff · 01 Aug 2010, 18:15 · from 2010-August.txt.gz

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From: dstockhoff at verizon.net (David Stockhoff)
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 14:15:11 -0400
Subject: (urth) Serpents and Undines
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Yes and no. The Ottoman system was also the Byzantine system.

brunians at brunians.org wrote:
> The Turks are the other Persians.
>
> The Turkish system is the Persian system.
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>> It does make sense. The Byzantine system had no Pope, and therefore no
>> division between Pope and HRE. It could also be argued that the Turkish
>> sultans were truly successors to the Eastern Roman Emperor as much as
>> successors to the caliphs, so the dual institution was there in effect,
>> even if the ERE was not formally defined as "Christ's vicar on Earth."
>>
>> So perhaps the autarch should be considered as such, whether there is
>> textual evidence for it or not.
>>
>> Jeff Wilson wrote:
>>     
>>> On 8/1/2010 7:59 AM, David Stockhoff wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Perhaps. "If you believe the Autarchy is divinely ordained" is the key
>>>> phrase. I don't see him as having Pope status, though maybe some do.
>>>>         
>>> Some of the figurative comments about the Autarch who this is that and
>>> so forth and the lack of any particularl clerical figures suggests to
>>> me that they have a more Anglican or classic Roman system, with the
>>> Autarch getting to break in line to the end of the cursus honorum.
>>>
>>>       
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